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Feb 19, 2021 19:27:32   #
flferg Loc: Driftwood, TX
 
XC guy wrote:
Hello, my first time posting here. I'm looking for a lower price gimbal to use with my Canon 7D and Tamron 100-400. Paul's had a promaster GH10 for $60, way less than other prices and even less than a used one from KEH. Has anyone had experience with this shop? I appreciate any comments. Always great info from everyone here.


I have used the following Neewer gimbal head for about 18 months with no problems. I use it with a Nikon D500 and a Sigma 150-600 C lens. I use it on a regular Neewer tripod and on a Koolehaoda Mini Tripod on a table top. I can focus on a bird feeder 30 ft from the table at full zoom to 600mm on the lens and it will stay focused on a spot indefinitely. I have taken 100's of photos from Hummingbirds to white tail deer with this setup. I bought the gimball head for about $68 and it now appears to be about $82 on Amazon.

Neewer Professional Heavy Duty Metal 360 Degree Panoramic Gimbal Tripod Head with Arca-Swiss Standard 1/4'' Quick Release Plate and Bubble Level for Digital SLR Cameras up to 30lbs/13.6 kg

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Feb 19, 2021 21:32:06   #
North West Bob Loc: Bozeman, Mt.
 
I also purchased the one on Amazon, took it apart cleaned it out and put in new grease, works great. You can see it on You Tube. Easy to do.....

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Feb 19, 2021 22:02:59   #
Jagnut07 Loc: South Carolina
 
amfoto1 wrote:
I have a ~$100 Chinese knockoff, full size gimbal head on one of my tripods. It's a near identical copy of the WH-200, though not as refined and smooth functioning. I have another tripod/gimbal setup that I use more often, so didn't want to spend a lot on this one that's only used occasionally when I need to set up two gimbals with big lenses at the same time. I have no idea the brand (maybe Meike or Beike) but it's fine and would easily handle a 4.5 lb. lens like the Tamron 150-600mm. I've had up to 8 lb. 500mm f/4 lens on it without any problems.

There are a slew of different Chinese knockoffs in the ~$100 price range. Just on Amazon I see: ProMaster, Neewer, Magnus, Annsm and Movo. I've never heard of "Paul's" brand, but suspect it's one of these generic Chinese cheapos. In fact, I bet these are all made in the same place and simply labelled with different brand names. I would expect them to use the cheapest materials, have no customer support what-so-ever and warranty that covers "30 feet or 30 seconds, whichever comes first".

There are also "step up" gimbals at reasonable prices from better known manufacturers, in the $200-$300 price range, such as Oben, Induro, Benro. While these appear to be better made or at least go through stronger quality control, although still being made somewhere in China, I bet the main difference is a better warranty and at least some effort to have a customer service dept.

Then there are the top of the line brands such as Wimberley, RRS, ProMediaGear, etc... Unique designs that sell in the $500 and up range (Wimberley was the 1st to design and popularize gimbals for big lenses 20+ years ago and is now not really unique, but that's only because it's by far the most widely copied). These use top quality materials, have strong quality control, offer a solid warranty and are backed by real customer service.

My "most used" gimbal that I've had for close to 20 years is not a full size like the above. It's the Wimberley Sidekick SK-100, has seen a lot of use over the years and still works like new and it too has easily handled lenses up to that 8 lb. 500mm and even larger. The reason I use the Sidekick most is because it doesn't convert my tripod to "long lens only" by replacing the existing ballhead. Instead, it's a gimbal adapter that works in conjunction with the ballhead (I use a heavy duty Kirk BH1 with it). This way I can switch the tripod back and forth for use with long lenses or standard setup, quickly and without any tools. The Sidekick + ballhead is about the same weight as most full size metal gimbals too (granted, there are lighter carbon fiber full size gimbals, but they're expensive and I'd worry about the build quality since they must be glued together).

The Sidekick is pretty simple. It provides the tilt axis, while the ballhead it's used upon provides the panning axis. With mid-weight lenses in the 4.5 lb to 6 lb. ranges, the ballhead to use with it should be at least medium duty (25 to 33 lb. rated), but heavy duty (around 50 lb. rated) is even better and would be my choice for 7 lb. and heavier lenses (I've seen folks use Sidekick's successfully with as much as 600mm f/4 and 800mm f/5.6). The ballhead also must have an Arca-compatible quick release platform and have a separate panning axis control. You can see how the Sidekick works here: https://www.tripodhead.com/products/sidekick-main.cfm. Wimberley Sidekick sells for $250, though it's been around long enough that they show up used a lot and sell for a bit less. Bonus! Another "benefit" of the Sidekick... since my cameras have an Arca-plate on the base too, I don't need to put heavy, bulky, expensive L-brackets on them. I can achieve the same setup using the Sidekick to mount the camera in vertical orientation, when it's fitted with shorter lenses that don't have a tripod mounting collar. (Vertical mount, full size gimbals can do this too. But still need to be removed and replaced with a different head to allow the camera and shorter lens to be directly mounted in horiz. orientation.)

There also is an Induro "GHBO" close copy of the Sidekick that looks good and costs about $200.

And there's a similar, but considerably smaller/lighter Jobu "BWG Mini" gimbal adapter that's recommended for lenses like 70-200mm f/2.8 (~2.5-3 lb.) or 300mm f/4 (~3 lb.) and sells for $109. It's a very compact design, but may need a spacer to work with some lenses (Jobu sells spacers separately).

More gimbal comparisons and info about the different types can be seen here: http://www.carolinawildphoto.com/gimbal_list.htmhttp://www.carolinawildphoto.com/gimbal_list.htm[/url]

The above list is good and helpful, but by no means comprehensive. There are many more "brands" of gimbals out there, though many of the cheaper ones are probably made the same place and simply labelled differently. Prices and brand names are constantly changing, but there are few places that give you as good, illustrated comparison of the different types of gimbal heads for photographers.

Finally, some gimbals come with a "generic" Arca-style lens plate. Those are mostly junk that will allow your camera and lens to slip unless you modify them (such as drilling and tapping to add one or two set screws). A longer plate with an anti-twist feature works much better and is safer to use. Some web sites such as Kirk Photo have recommendations what plate to use with different lenses. In some cases, a replacement "foot" is needed. In a few a replacement tripod mounting collar for the lens is the best solution. Some modern lenses are actually coming with tripod mounting feet that have built in Arca-compatible dovetail. This includes the Tamron G2 series lenses with tripod collars. It may be possible to use those without having to buy a separate lens plate. Hopefully the foot with the dovetail is long enough to allow the adjustments necessary to get the best out of a gimbal (lens and camera combo need to be adjusted forward or back as close as possible to equilibrium, so that a light touch can smoothly move the rig on the gimbal). If needed, there are a lot of different manufacturers of lens plates, too. Depending upon size and features, expect to pay $25 to $45 for a good one ($75 or more for a replacement foot.... or at least $150 for a replacement tripod ring). I've got lenses fitted with plates and feet from Kirk, Wimberley, Desmond, Hejnar and others. They all work fine. Again, the most important things are the length of the plate and that it must have some sort of anti-twist feature. (Note: my Canon 100-400 II required a replacement foot that cost around $70, because the OEM foot is shaped in a way that standard plates don't fit well to provide anti-twist. Kirk Photo, Really Right Stuff and Hejnar Photo each made feet for this particular lens at the time, There re more manufacturers now.)
I have a ~$100 Chinese knockoff, full size gimbal ... (show quote)


I just recently purchased a Wimberley Sidekick for $250. I use it with my Sony a7RIV and Sony 200-600 and my RRS BH40 ball head. I could not be happier with it. It gives me a flexible solution at a reasonable cost. Absolutely recommend it.

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Feb 20, 2021 13:34:55   #
Sinewsworn Loc: Port Orchard, WA
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
I have never seen anything Pro master that was worth buying, tripods flimsy, three wired remotes failed within two weeks.
Spend more on a good brand and save money!!!!



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Feb 21, 2021 07:17:16   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
XC guy wrote:
Hello, my first time posting here. I'm looking for a lower price gimbal to use with my Canon 7D and Tamron 100-400. Paul's had a promaster GH10 for $60, way less than other prices and even less than a used one from KEH. Has anyone had experience with this shop? I appreciate any comments. Always great info from everyone here.


Your camera was not inexpensive, and your lens was not either. I bought the Wimberley WH-200 about 6 years ago, but next year I sold it for what I bought it for. Missed it so much I bought another one, have used it almost everyday for years and it is great. I am sure I can get at least 80% of my investment back if I choose to sell it. There are not many photographic accessories that can hold that kind of value.
Buy really good equipment and it's value usually holds.
Be safe, enjoy your hobby, and keep on shooting until the end.

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Feb 22, 2021 19:11:35   #
JimGrog Loc: Wash DC Area
 
Paul's is two miles down the street and just two miles south of Silvo's on Hawthorne Ave, Torrance, CA. Both are long time, reputable dealers. Always got good answers to questions asked before buying.

I always thought Paul's was a little more expensive than most so this comment was a surprise. I have bought camera bags, filters, batteries and other minor items because their selection is usually much better than other local biz. And if I can avoid the risk and hassle of on-line purchases, I prefer to go local.

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Feb 27, 2021 02:37:08   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
XC guy wrote:
Hello, my first time posting here. I'm looking for a lower price gimbal to use with my Canon 7D and Tamron 100-400. Paul's had a promaster GH10 for $60, way less than other prices and even less than a used one from KEH. Has anyone had experience with this shop? I appreciate any comments. Always great info from everyone here.


Is that the one on Hawthorne, by PCH?
That used to be a very nice homey camera shop.
They "upscaled" a few years back. Still a good store, fairly nice people.
That's an OK product, and a good price.
Probably a loss leader. You go shopping, and spend a bit more.
They don't lose any money and get another repeater.

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