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Feb 18, 2021 17:39:16   #
Dennis833 Loc: Australia
 
GreenReaper wrote:
Here's my 20$ worth (.02 cents adjusted for inflation). It works for me and my setup has been improved through the intervening months. The neg I used for this demo has seen a lot of "not healthy for color negs storage" through the past 40 years, hence the color shift in parts of it. If you can look past the defects you might find it useful.

The orange cast is a mask inherent in most if not all color negs. My example is a Kodak Vericolor neg from the mid 70's processed by me in a real lab, as opposed to the kitchen sink. :)

It was copied using my Canon T-6 with a light box using the latest advanced engineering techniques and locally sourced materials (I slammed it together from what I had lying around at the time).

It was shot as a RAW image and processed in Photoshop.

First shot is the neg as it came from the camera, although this one, along with the other two were saved as a jpeg to conserve space and make for an easy upload.

I opened the original in Photoshop, went to Image,Adjustments, Levels and select the White Point selector (right eyedropper under the (Options)selector.

I clicked on the orange mask in the outside frame of film, its not exposed, just processed.

This gave me the odd color cast, at which time I went back to Adjustments and clicked on Invert, that gave me an image that was a starting point. After some color and exposure adjustments, I ended up with the final image.

It sounds like a lot when I read things over, but once you do it a couple of times it becomes a snap.

There are other ways to do it, I'm sure, this just what I use, and its a part of PS.

I hope this helped you to find a direction to go.
Lotsaluck in your efforts!
Here's my 20$ worth (.02 cents adjusted for inflat... (show quote)


I've converted a lot of colour negatives with the white eyedropper in curves this always worked for me.

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Feb 18, 2021 18:23:49   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
cactuspic wrote:
I have had good success shooting high quality digital copies of slides using a high resolution camera on a copy stand with light table in a dark room. Because of the orange cast of color negatives, I have been hesitant to convert them into digital images. In thinking the problem through, it would seem that if I shot a single digital image and then white balanced the negative image, I would have an underexposure, once I eliminated the cast. The method I came up with to get a properly exposed digital negative image is to compute the correction I would need to neutralize the orange mask, print the correction on transparent media and use it as a filter when I take the image. I would place it on the light table under the negative. After taking the image, I could invert colors and make any necessary adjustments. Before I started to buy supplies such as transparent media, I was wondering if anyone had tried a similar process.
I have had good success shooting high quality digi... (show quote)


https://www.negativelabpro.com

I use it. It’s a plug-in for Lightroom Classic. It solves the problem very quickly!

It uses the same algorithms as Noritsu and Fujifilm professional lab scanners.

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Feb 18, 2021 19:32:46   #
cactuspic Loc: Dallas, TX
 
I'd like to thank everyone who answered for their considered thought and good ideas. I think for my initial attempts I will try the negative lab plug-in for Lightroom. I am not interested in purchasing a scanner if I don't have to, though I will probably try to run a comparison on my friend's scanner when sometime in the future when I get the opportunity.

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Feb 18, 2021 19:40:32   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
cactuspic wrote:
I'd like to thank everyone who answered for their considered thought and good ideas. I think for my initial attempts I will try the negative lab plug-in for Lightroom. I am not interested in purchasing a scanner if I don't have to, though I will probably try to run a comparison on my friend's scanner when sometime in the future when I get the opportunity.


I think you’ll like NLP in LrC. It’s great for B&W and color. I ran a pro film scan lab with nine $50,000 Kodak Bremson HR500 scanners, in 2001-2005. This little plug-in processes the color about as well as they did!

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Feb 18, 2021 19:56:42   #
cactuspic Loc: Dallas, TX
 
Thank you Bill. Both you and rmcgarry31 recommended the program. It gives a free trial applicable to 12 images, which is certainly sufficient for tests purposes. While you can read about the justified criticism of snarky remarks, I too seldom read about the hogs that have taken their time to lend you their expertise and experience. Invaluable

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Feb 18, 2021 20:10:22   #
twowindsbear
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Geez... just get a proper film scanner. The software with those have built-in means of removing the orange mask from color neg film. The better scanning software (such as Silverfast) even gives you a preview that's accurate enough you can make further adjustments to exposure, contrast, color temp and tint before starting the actual scan.


Was this original film shot with a Koni-Omega Rapid M?

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Feb 18, 2021 20:17:08   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
cactuspic wrote:
Thank you Bill. Both you and rmcgarry31 recommended the program. It gives a free trial applicable to 12 images, which is certainly sufficient for tests purposes. While you can read about the justified criticism of snarky remarks, I too seldom read about the hogs that have taken their time to lend you their expertise and experience. Invaluable


Social media is a mine field of snark, with snark grenades flying over the digital wall surrounding it. It is a sad peril of a modern world struggling to learn patience and tolerance and selflessness amidst a sea of ignorance, bigotry, racism, hate, and prejudice.

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Mar 13, 2021 19:59:44   #
GreenReaper
 
twowindsbear wrote:
Was this original film shot with a Koni-Omega Rapid M?


Close, but no cigar! It was a Koni-Omega Rapid 200! Loved that camera!

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Mar 13, 2021 20:01:57   #
GreenReaper
 
burkphoto wrote:
I think you’ll like NLP in LrC. It’s great for B&W and color. I ran a pro film scan lab with nine $50,000 Kodak Bremson HR500 scanners, in 2001-2005. This little plug-in processes the color about as well as they did!


I downloaded it, but for some reason, it wouldn't install/run. I'm suspecting my internet connection. I'll have to try again down the road.

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Mar 13, 2021 20:48:37   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
GreenReaper wrote:
I downloaded it, but for some reason, it wouldn't install/run. I'm suspecting my internet connection. I'll have to try again down the road.


Are you using either the old, stand-alone, non-subscription Lightroom 6.14 or the current Lightroom CLASSIC? It does not work with any others. It does not work with the current Lightroom CC — just the current *Classic* version.

Email Nate if problems persist. He’s the developer and is very easy to work with.

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Aug 10, 2021 13:52:06   #
GreenReaper
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Geez... just get a proper film scanner. The software with those have built-in means of removing the orange mask from color neg film. The better scanning software (such as Silverfast) even gives you a preview that's accurate enough you can make further adjustments to exposure, contrast, color temp and tint before starting the actual scan.



Geez...Some of us can't afford a film scanner that will do 120 and larger negs, or afford to send them out to a professional scanning service! Yes its on the "cheap" but it works!

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Aug 10, 2021 20:50:37   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
The Nikon D850 claims it does in camera correction.

The D850’s negative digitizer feature uses in-camera processing to generate correctly-colored positives by reversing the colors in the photos of film negatives.

https://www.nikonusa.com/en/learn-and-explore/a/tips-and-techniques/digitizing-film-using-the-d850-and-es-2-negative-digitizer.html

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