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Jan 23, 2021 18:52:55   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
ecblackiii wrote:
Under the Trump administration, gas leases and pipeline permissions significantly expanded. But it takes years to develop oil fields and build pipelines, so the growth starts in a year or two but then takes as decade or more to fully mature. The short term increases that you talk about are the industry reaction to government C***d policies. People are driving considerably less when lockdowns occur, so gasoline sales volume has dropped. With fewer gallons sold, gasoline manufacturers have to raise wholesale prices, which leads to retail price increases.

But there is another government policy that drives short term prices too. Every year, fuel producers have to switch manufacturing processes and ingredients to comply with a plethora of different seasonal blend regulations across the country. That raises short term costs twice every year as manufacturers have to convert to producing different fuel stockpiles in advance of changeover dates. It's built into the term "supply and demand" but is entirely driven by government policies.
Under the Trump administration, gas leases and pip... (show quote)


I disagree with you thought that govt that prices reacted to govt c***d policies . Of course since trump had no policy you could say the reaction was due to “ lack “of a policy.

Most of the gas and oil leases purchased in the last few years are not being executed .

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/green/reports/2018/08/29/455226/oil-gas-companies-gain-stockpiling-americas-federal-land/

An explanation “ winter gas”
In the limited number of states affected

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15339380/the-vapor-rub-summer-versus-winter-gasoline-explained/

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Jan 23, 2021 19:10:06   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
ecblackiii wrote:
Under the Trump administration, gas leases and pipeline permissions significantly expanded. But it takes years to develop oil fields and build pipelines, so the growth starts in a year or two but then takes as decade or more to fully mature. The short term increases that you talk about are the industry reaction to government C***d policies. People are driving considerably less when lockdowns occur, so gasoline sales volume has dropped. With fewer gallons sold, gasoline manufacturers have to raise wholesale prices, which leads to retail price increases.

But there is another government policy that drives short term prices too. Every year, fuel producers have to switch manufacturing processes and ingredients to comply with a plethora of different seasonal blend regulations across the country. That raises short term costs twice every year as manufacturers have to convert to producing different fuel stockpiles in advance of changeover dates. It's built into the term "supply and demand" but is entirely driven by government policies.
Under the Trump administration, gas leases and pip... (show quote)


You may wish to inform yourself about what your so called switch in manufacturing and blend regulations are before using them in your arguments.

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Jan 23, 2021 19:29:48   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
One of the contributions to price-change is the availability of refinery capacity.

U.S. refinery fuels output levels have varied widely recently, due to fires and aging infrastructure.

There has not been a new refinery in at least thirty years. Due at least in part to governmental control: the lack of permitting and ecological restraints.

To blame the cost of fuel solely on governmental regulation is just not factual.

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Jan 23, 2021 20:04:45   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Wyantry wrote:
One of the contributions to price-change is the availability of refinery capacity.

U.S. refinery fuels output levels have varied widely recently, due to fires and aging infrastructure.

There has not been a new refinery in at least thirty years. Due at least in part to governmental control: the lack of permitting and ecological restraints.

To blame the cost of fuel solely on governmental regulation is just not factual.


You might be wrong. One was built in 2008 and another in 2019.

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Jan 23, 2021 21:03:04   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
letmedance wrote:
You might be wrong. One was built in 2008 and another in 2019.


You are correct, Sir, new refineries have been constructed. Others are being proposed closer to actual supply e.g. North Dakota (Bakken Shale oil) and now perhaps the Permian Basin and others.

Potentially no more long pipelines or rail t***sport to get oil to refineries along the Southern Gulf Coast. Local production, refining and potential sale — thereby reducing costs.

But what is overall capacity, due in part to closures and infrastructure decay?

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Jan 23, 2021 22:41:17   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
The issues facing refinery construction are
1. Construction cost are enormous . Payback just isn’t there ,
2. NIMBY , local approvals very hard. No one wants an oil refinery in their town
4. Legacy cost. Companies are not required to be on the hook for clean up when the thing is closed.

The bottom line is the bottom line. Payback isn’t there.

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Jan 23, 2021 22:42:41   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Wyantry wrote:
You are correct, Sir, new refineries have been constructed. Others are being proposed closer to actual supply e.g. North Dakota (Bakken Shale oil) and now perhaps the Permian Basin and others.

Potentially no more long pipelines or rail t***sport to get oil to refineries along the Southern Gulf Coast. Local production, refining and potential sale — thereby reducing costs.

But what is overall capacity, due in part to closures and infrastructure decay?


Right there has not been a “ downstream “ refinery built since the 70’s.

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Jan 23, 2021 23:23:05   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
And now the U.S. is again an Oil Exporting nation. Meaning coastal refineries and distribution pipelines from those refineries (from imported “offshore” oil) no longer are as relevant.

Smaller refineries closer to production make economic sense, the NIMBY, clean-up and environmental factors notwithstanding.

The “not-in-my-backyard” (NIMBY) mentality has always bothered me: people want the product or service, but are unwilling to accept the presence of a supplier. Really Strange.

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Jan 23, 2021 23:26:15   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
Wyantry wrote:
And now the U.S. is again an Oil Exporting nation. Meaning coastal refineries and distribution pipelines from those refineries (from imported “offshore” oil) no longer are as relevant.

Smaller refineries closer to production make economic sense, the NIMBY, clean-up and environmental factors notwithstanding.

The “not-in-my-backyard” (NIMBY) mentality has always bothered me: people want the product or service, but are unwilling to accept the presence of a supplier. Really Strange.
And now the U.S. is again an Oil Exporting nation.... (show quote)


The denizens of Mar-a-Lago don't want Trump in their backyard either. Go figure.

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Jan 23, 2021 23:30:34   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
Texcaster wrote:
The denizens of Mar-a-Lago don't want Trump in their backyard either. Go figure.


So would that be TNIMBY ?

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