A Cause which should appeal to ALL of us! Medical bills are often the cause of crushing debt and even bankruptcy for people, due to medical care in the US being considered as a...

GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA

Medical bills are often the cause of crushing debt and even bankruptcy for people, due to medical care in the US being considered as a "consumer good," as opposed to most other countries viewing medical care as a right to all, akin to clean water and air. This article in The New York Times describes how many religious groups, including some Christian mega-churches, are putting their ethics and moral concerns into action. Here's the link: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/27/opinion/c***d-medical-debt-church-charity.html
What better way to exemplify the religious value of charity to others which seems to be common to ALL religions!

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

GeorgeH wrote:

Medical bills are often the cause of crushing debt... (show quote)

This has been around for quite awhile, and demonstrates clearly the inherent inefficiency of state operated plans.

Thanks for sharing.

tcthome Loc: NJ

Biden is talking about student loans pardons. Why not medical. Most people who owe medical $$ contribute tax dollars that go to the student loans. People need to speak up as in marches in DC. Medical related companies lobby & most likely contribute to campaign funds in some discrete way or form. If you look at other countries that provide better medical, a lot of them have a much larger tax rate. Anyway, it is nice to see some good news out there. Thanks for the link.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

tcthome wrote:

Biden is talking about student loans pardons. Why not medical. Most people who owe medical $$ contribute tax dollars that go to the student loans. People need to speak up as in marches in DC. Medical related companies lobby & most likely contribute to campaign funds in some discrete way or form. If you look at other countries that provide better medical, a lot of them have a much larger tax rate. Anyway, it is nice to see some good news out there. Thanks for the link.

Why should the state void any debt?

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

tcthome "Biden is talking about student loans pardons."

I have a friend who wants to finish her 4th year of college at a different school in a different state and can not get her official transcript until she pays her student loan.

The illogical of this is that until she finishes her degree she can not earn sufficient money to pay off the student debt. A conspiracy of colleges/employers similar to Indentured Servitude in Colonial America a form of s***ery by keeping the person at low income.

She is but one of the vast number of people in the same boat. We, the USA need well educated people to compete in the world. In Argentina the education system is free to those who's marks qualify them. Why must we in the USA maintain or 3rd World status in education and medical care? God and Republican's Will be done? Foolish! Keep the people suppressed?

traderjohn Loc: New York City

GeorgeH wrote:

Medical bills are often the cause of crushing debt... (show quote)

Who determines whose debt gets paid? How is the se******n made? Every person, every debt?

jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana

People who have student loans should pay them themselves. I paid mine. My granddaughter has loans, and she started repaying them the day she got a job; she knows that the debt is her responsibility alone, no one else’s.

I taught at a university and saw students borrowing money on student status to take spring break trips and the like. I also saw friends of my grandkids go to schools they knew they couldn’t afford, just piling up loan after loan. Now they are crying about having to pay them when they could have been largely avoided by going to a less expensive school that provided the same quality of education. You borrow to spend; you pay it back, not me.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

jaymatt wrote:

People who have student loans should pay them them... (show quote)

Thank you.

As recent as the mid seventies it was entirely doable for a student of minimal means to attend a state school with a few small grants and a student aid job and come out debt free. The wholesale gubmint guaranteed loans were just coming on strong when I was in attendance at Eastern Kentucky University ... GO COLONELS! ... and once nobody had to pay upfront and infinite loans were guaranteed by the state, removing all cost pressures, the cost of a college education became 'unaffordable' to all but the wealthy.

Does anyone else find it odd that naive youth is lured into these guaranteed loans and then spend the rest of their lives v****g for politicians of a particular party due to the promise that the politicians will dig them out of the hole that the same politicians put them in?

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

jaymatt said in part: "saw students borrowing money on student status to take spring break trips and the like."

Sure, but the vast majority have debts that are based on honest need.

The total debt owed by students compared to money squandered buying instruments of war that will never be used but satisfies defense contractors who bribe [contribute to] law makers is trivial. The ruling class must keep the Untermensch, "inferior people," in debt.

GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA

LWW wrote:

This has been around for quite awhile, and demonstrates clearly the inherent inefficiency of state operated plans.

Thanks for sharing.

Please document your statement. "T***h and facts only."

GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA

traderjohn wrote:

Who determines whose debt gets paid? How is the se******n made? Every person, every debt?

If you read the NYT article you will see how the recipients are selected.

GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA

LWW wrote:

This has been around for quite awhile, and demonstrates clearly the inherent inefficiency of state operated plans.

Thanks for sharing.

If you'd bothered to READ the NYT article you'd discover that these actions are in no way associated with "state operated plans. "T***h and facts," please.

pendennis

GeorgeH wrote:

Medical bills are often the cause of crushing debt... (show quote)

By definition, to exercise a right, one cannot cause any type of burden on others, otherwise it's a privilege. Following, payment for "clean water and air" is a tax issue, not one of rights. Folks pay for clean water through water and sewerage systems, whether private or public. Folks who don't pay for water and sewerage costs are privileged.

Charity to others is not within the purview of religion. It's part of societal foundations, based on morality, and commonly accepted norms of behavior.

And if "mega churches" were such a hot idea, why don't the leaders of those churches live more modest lives?

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

dpullum wrote:

tcthome "Biden is talking about student loan... (show quote)

BS...it is just a way to buy young v**ers...even you should be able to see thru that BS...maybe not

sgt hop Loc: baltimore md,now in salisbury md

simple...you borrowed the money, pay it back....i borrowed money for a mortgage , i'll pay it back,tho it would be nice if the other tax payers would pay my mortgage for me....