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Nov 28, 2020 10:26:16   #
bleirer
 
John Howard wrote:
Thanks Gene51. I understand editing in the larger space is better. My problem is when I convert to sRGB for exporting to web the colors change and get frayed out. I only shoot raw and use white balance auto* which warms it a bit. I thought if converting to sRGB first, even tho smaller space, I would not need to do it last and could edit to the color I want. But then if I also want to print the image I need to convert back. My real problem is I do not know where the ProPhoto color space is coming from. Is it LR or PS?
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Raw comes from the camera unassigned, Lightroom has settings under preferences/external editor to assign a colorspace to the image sent to Photoshop. Photoshop has settings for what to do with incoming color spaces. It should be set to use embedded by default, so if you set lightroom to prophoto then Photoshop will keep it prophoto. You can convert to srgb at any time in Photoshop. So if your print shop says it wants Adobe rgb, you can us convert color profiles to do it before saving, or have it automatically done in export as.

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Nov 28, 2020 11:47:23   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
bleirer wrote:
Raw comes from the camera unassigned, Lightroom has settings under preferences/external editor to assign a colorspace to the image sent to Photoshop. Photoshop has settings for what to do with incoming color spaces. It should be set to use embedded by default, so if you set lightroom to prophoto then Photoshop will keep it prophoto. You can convert to srgb at any time in Photoshop. So if your print shop says it wants Adobe rgb, you can us convert color profiles to do it before saving, or have it automatically done in export as.
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John H, following the instructions above. That is, review your external editor definitions in LR and assure ProPhotoRGB is being sent to PS and no change in colorspace is being made in PS. Then, review your export colorspace from LR and assure sRGB is set for the export.

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Nov 28, 2020 11:50:47   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
John Howard wrote:
Gene51 and CHG Canon thanks much. Helpful and I will follow the links and learn more. This situation got worse because I am trying to make an Xmas card which I do every year. I do some basic editing in LR of the raw file and then Edit In PS for some punch. The image is a late evening shot of a tree in Hokkaido in falling snow. I shot handheld with flash and the original has a very blue sky. To upload to printer I need to send a jpg sRGB file. When I convert profile and save as jpg, or if I use the export as approach the blue sky looses its color and it almost looks gray.
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At what step does the change occur? You're saying you like the colors in LR (starting)? And, you like the enhancements in PS? And, in PS the colorspace remains ProPhotoRGB, as defined in the external editor from LR? And, you still like the colors when the PS-edited version is imported back into LR? But, only when the image is exported to a JPEG from LR, the color changes? There's a few places in this workflow where the colorspace needs to be inspected and confirmed.

Remember to use <quote reply> to confirm your responses to specific prior comments.

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Nov 28, 2020 20:19:36   #
jdmiles Loc: Texas
 
John Howard wrote:
Thanks Gene51. I understand editing in the larger space is better. My problem is when I convert to sRGB for exporting to web the colors change and get frayed out. I only shoot raw and use white balance auto* which warms it a bit. I thought if converting to sRGB first, even tho smaller space, I would not need to do it last and could edit to the color I want. But then if I also want to print the image I need to convert back. My real problem is I do not know where the ProPhoto color space is coming from. Is it LR or PS?
Thanks Gene51. I understand editing in the larger ... (show quote)


Preview in sRGB colorspace before converting. If you have some very saturated colors then you may find sRGB will change. But you can edit in preview mode to give you the best trade-off.

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Nov 29, 2020 06:07:37   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
John Howard wrote:
Thanks Gene51. I understand editing in the larger space is better. My problem is when I convert to sRGB for exporting to web the colors change and get frayed out. I only shoot raw and use white balance auto* which warms it a bit. I thought if converting to sRGB first, even tho smaller space, I would not need to do it last and could edit to the color I want. But then if I also want to print the image I need to convert back. My real problem is I do not know where the ProPhoto color space is coming from. Is it LR or PS?
Thanks Gene51. I understand editing in the larger ... (show quote)


When you shoot raw, the color space and white balance settings in the camera have no relevance - in similar fashion to picture settings like sharpening, contrast, saturation, etc.

It seems that you have ProPhoto selected as the color space when you go to the default external editor as I described in my first post. It is easy enough to change, but I wouldn't do that because editing in the larger color space will help minimize clipping color channels. Converting to sRGB as a first step can, with wide color gamut subjects, lead to inferior color rendition. It is always better to use the larger color space throughout the editing workflow, then converting to sRGB for distribution. This way you can more precisely manage how out of gamut colors will be handled, and using soft proofing and rendering intent will give you a really good idea what the final output will look like.

Another way to look at this is to render an image with colored pencils. You are more likely to get better color if you use a set of 120 different colors than if you use just the set of primary colors where you need to rely on blending colors on paper to create colors not represented in your set of pencils.

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Nov 30, 2020 17:15:33   #
The Capt.
 
Don't know but I have heard that if you want to get all of the colors in ProPhoto you also need to use 16 bit color.

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