Photography Is Evolving Quickly
Dec 2, 2020 10:51:55 #
IMO, AI will radically disrupt regular photography. One member says he will use a phone when it can capture a crystal clear BIF. I would bet, in the not too distant future, AI will allow a user to take a video and then capture a"frame" from that video that is absolutely clear and ultra high resolution. Night photography may well change as well. AI could "fill in the blanks" or repair fuzzy parts of an image. In fact, the concept of pixels and ISO may eventually be moot. If 50 years ago someone told you that, in 2020, you would be able to take a picture with a small, cigarette box sized device, you would have thought they were odd. Add to that the device can take the picture, edit that picture, place it into the netherworld for everyone in the WORLD to see, make a phone call to anyone with a similar device on the planet, tell you the updated weather, allow you to make a stock trade and start a hot tub at just the perfect temperature before you get home...you would have thought them mad. As someone who loves photography and all the equipment that it entails, I think it will be disrupted to the point that DSLR, Mirrorless, lenses, etc. will be relics of the past.
Dec 2, 2020 11:13:08 #
RWebb76 wrote:
IMO, AI will radically disrupt regular photography... (show quote)
You forgot to mention the future of Holograms with smartphones. Here's a short article from Computerworld
"A different kind of smartphone hologram
Currently, you can get the illusion of a 3D hologram by using any number of smartphone apps created with Apple’s ARKit or Google’s ARCore.
These don’t create 3D holograms — they create a video of a hologram. They combine real-time video feeds with digital objects. The app shows you what the camera sees, then superimposes digital images on top of that real-time video feed. The hologram appears to be a few feet in front of you when you’re looking at the screen.
Researchers are working on the creation of 3D hologram displays for smartphones that project the hologram on or above the surface of the display. Future technology will be able to project 3D holograms into the air above or even around a smartphone display.
Korean display giants Samsung and LG have reportedly been working on this for years. A professor at Chungbuk National University named Kim Nam told The Korea Herald that 3D hologram smartphones are 10 to 20 years away.
The kind of smartphone hologram technology that enables floating-in-the-air 3D holograms is in our far future. But in-the-screen holograms are coming soon, according to one company.
The popular HD video camera maker RED is working on a $1,195 smartphone called the Hydrogen One that it says sports a holographic display. The screen is being developed with a startup called Leia (named after Princess Leia from Star Wars, who introduced fans to the holographic display idea in the opening scene of the original 1977 movie). Leia is a spinoff from HP Labs.
The difference between future hologram phones and the RED Hydrogen One phone is that, while the 3D effect on the RED happens when you move the phone around, nothing is projected in the air. It all stays on the screen.
Holograms will prove immeasurably useful and powerful for enterprise applications. And this power will be fully realized with technologies more advanced than today’s smartphone apps and tomorrow’s AR headsets.
The job today is to start exploring the solutions now coming online. Several of these offer low-cost development kits, which are ideal for kicking the virtual 3D hologram tires of this emerging new interface.
The world of no-smartphone, no-headset 3D holograms is here"
Dec 2, 2020 11:15:24 #
Fstop12 wrote:
You forgot to mention the future of Holograms with... (show quote)
I hadn't even thought of that. I agree with you.
Dec 2, 2020 11:30:14 #
RWebb76 wrote:
I hadn't even thought of that. I agree with you.
Years ago, I remember sitting on a small bench in front of a 13 inch TV set at the Smithsonian Musem in Washington,DC. They were showing the future of High Definition TV. To tell you the truth, I was mesmorized by the detail in that small screen. Fast forward to today, you don't even think about it. In the not too distant future, TV shows will be projecting Holograms right in you living room space. Literally you will be in the scene!
Dec 2, 2020 11:36:53 #
baron_silverton wrote:
Thanks for the interesting link - yes viewing dist... (show quote)
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Indeed I shall!
And please try keep all that you wrote in mind and in some sort of attempt at rational order as you drive past another Apple iPhone image billboard along the Interstate highway!
Visible facts is facts!
Just essential food for some necessary thought!
Keep repeating:
“Normal viewing distance...normal viewing distance...normal viewing distance...
Best regards, and a good day to you, too!
Dec 2, 2020 19:38:58 #
joer wrote:
I recently participated in an F-Stoppers experiment comparing images form a D850 and an I-Phone in combination with a Profoto strobe.
Each image was processed then reviewed by a large number of people who were asked to pick the best between them. The I-Phone won 55% to 45%.
I was in the minority but still very impressed.
I can only image where the technology will be in a few years with phones, strobes/flashes and AI processing.
Wish I was 10 years younger.
Each image was processed then reviewed by a large number of people who were asked to pick the best between them. The I-Phone won 55% to 45%.
I was in the minority but still very impressed.
I can only image where the technology will be in a few years with phones, strobes/flashes and AI processing.
Wish I was 10 years younger.
In my opinion it would of been better if it was head to head, both devices in the same setting, not two different locations.
Dec 3, 2020 07:36:15 #
Oldman73 wrote:
In my opinion it would of been better if it was head to head, both devices in the same setting, not two different locations.
I think the point can be summed up by: "I don't know which is better but I know what I like."
Dec 3, 2020 09:39:22 #
Read an article yesterday about the new QUALCOMM processor for phones and its possibilities for the future of cell phone photography. I look forward to seeing what the cell phone manufacturers do with these capabilities.
Dec 3, 2020 16:52:25 #
Godzilla wrote:
Read an article yesterday about the new QUALCOMM processor for phones and its possibilities for the future of cell phone photography. I look forward to seeing what the cell phone manufacturers do with these capabilities.
Hi, GZ,
If that article was online, can you supply a link?
Thanks,
Dave
Dec 3, 2020 17:02:07 #
Dec 6, 2020 18:32:21 #
John Hicks
Loc: Sible Hedinham North Essex England
Iphones are primarily designed for communication purposes not for taking high quality photography, and with the continuing cost of buying iPhones and using them no one can not say they are not cheap.
One comment on this subject was that Canon, Nikon, Sony eff were pricing themselves out of the consumer market considering the camera has not changed for many years. In some way that is correct the purpose is to produce a quality photograph, what is not correct is that cameras have changed and their abilities have changed out of all recognition.
The R and D that has gone into cameras in say the last fifteen years is mind blowing and the cost is phenomenal the same applies to the camera lenses.
Considering the amount invested in research the retail price of a modern camera is very reasonable and we'll in range what the ordinary customer can afford.
Where as with a mobile phone what has really changed the last five to seven years not a lot, you can make calls with them, text, use the internet, such as WhatsApp and use social media but nothing has really change over the last five to seven years apart from cost of the phone and the cost of using them, that has certainly gone up out of all proportion considering what you get for your money
One comment on this subject was that Canon, Nikon, Sony eff were pricing themselves out of the consumer market considering the camera has not changed for many years. In some way that is correct the purpose is to produce a quality photograph, what is not correct is that cameras have changed and their abilities have changed out of all recognition.
The R and D that has gone into cameras in say the last fifteen years is mind blowing and the cost is phenomenal the same applies to the camera lenses.
Considering the amount invested in research the retail price of a modern camera is very reasonable and we'll in range what the ordinary customer can afford.
Where as with a mobile phone what has really changed the last five to seven years not a lot, you can make calls with them, text, use the internet, such as WhatsApp and use social media but nothing has really change over the last five to seven years apart from cost of the phone and the cost of using them, that has certainly gone up out of all proportion considering what you get for your money
Dec 6, 2020 20:40:21 #
kenArchi
Loc: Seal Beach, CA
Good info John.
I can go anywhere I want to go with my throw away Galaxy J3 Eclipse phone.
And take really good snapshots.
I can go anywhere I want to go with my throw away Galaxy J3 Eclipse phone.
And take really good snapshots.
Dec 6, 2020 20:42:13 #
John Hicks wrote:
Iphones are primarily designed for communication p... (show quote)
Are you serious????
Dec 7, 2020 19:07:12 #
John Hicks
Loc: Sible Hedinham North Essex England
Yes I am serious mobile phones are a communication device some people like to takes snap shots with them but that does not detract that there main function is cummunications
Dec 8, 2020 02:24:31 #
John Hicks wrote:
Yes I am serious mobile phones are a communication device some people like to takes snap shots with them but that does not detract that there main function is cummunications
I don't know what data your drawing your conclusions from but the market data just doesn't agree. Yes, the smartphone has a phone in it. But the phone isn't the sales driver. The phone isn't responsible for existing users purchasing new phones every 1-2 years. It's not the phone that's cannibalizing the camera market. An old flip phone will make a call just as well as a new iphone. It's the other new or improved features that drive new sales. Of all the non-phone features, the camera is the #1 sales driver. And texting, video and images on social platforms are also a significant means of communication.
I've attached a graph showing the correlation between the rise in smartphones and the fall in digital camera sales. The graph is self explanatory. Interchangeable lens (ILC) cameras are a subset of the blue line in the attached graph, consisting the DSLR's and mirrorless camera sales. In 2012, the ILC sales were 20 million. Sales has steadily declined to 8.6 million in 2019, with 2020 looking even more dismal. In 2019, smartphone sales reached 1.5 billion units and growing. The 2 big players in smartphone market is Samsung and Apple.
Looking as R&D spending for 2020
Apple= $16B
Samsung= $15B
Huawei= $12B
Sony= $14B
Canon= $ 2.5B
Nikon= $ 0.6B
The low R&D spending for Canon and Nikon is represented in their declining stock price and market valuation, while Sony, Apple and Samsung have experience significant growth in stock price and market valuation. The R&D funds are going mostly the smartphone, not to ILC's. The DSLR's are quickly becoming the orphan child of the camera market. Yes, the R&D numbers are total spending. How much spending goes to imaging products would be readily available in each company's annual reports, but you can see the trend.
Going back to the original OP's post, shows that two professional photographers, with the only difference in their toolbox was the camera, did equally well in a photography assignment. Just look at Instagram, Twitter and 500px to see some spectacular high quality images created with just smartphones.
It's still true that a good photographer with a smartphone can produce much better images than a mediocre photographer with a Phase One.
Mike
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