Tex-s

Dispensing with the disputed state of the e******n returns, I do have questions for all of you, regardless of who you supported/support.

Also granting the assumption President Trump could have/should have done better, what would you say he failed to do after C***d was already here? What do you actually want a Biden regime to do?

Trump was labelled r****t for closing the border, so it stands proven the left opposed what he actually did at that time.

Trump effectively requested states lock up their citizens, and many did so, not for 15 days as originally requested, but in some places, as long as 6 months now. That route has not been shown effective at stopping C***d. Maybe slowing it a bit, at a really large cost in terms of economies, mental health, education, medical care for other issues, and a host of other issues.

What do we REALLY want to see? Complete lock-down? Suspend schools? Travel bans? Dictatorial mandates and edicts? Brown-shirted, gun toting, SS units going door to door to see if you have a non-family member within 6 feet of you?

The VAST majority of what President Trump has done has been 100% Constitutional, and the VAST majority of what the left have suggested he failed to do would have been in direct violation of constitutional restraints. Are we suggesting we WANT a dictator, or that we WANT to suspend Constitutional restraints?

Absent magical abilities, a Biden administration has, effectively, two options. Follow the Constitution, and effectively mirror Trump's actions, if not his words, or violate restraints and try to be a dictatorial regime. I agree we could spend more money and efforts on tracing, but NO data in any country shows that tracing has ANY real effect at slowing the spread on its own. Only with far more Draconian measures already in place does tracing seem to offer any appreciable effectiveness.

Maybe people in a bluer section of the nation have heard sane arguments for sane measures I've not heard or seen. My neck of the woods is dominated by folks that would rather die at work than rot at home....

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

POLITICS
All the President’s Lies About the C****av***s
An unfinished compendium of Trump’s overwhelming dishonesty during a national emergency

CHRISTIAN PAZ
NOVEMBER 2, 2020

President Donald Trump has repeatedly lied about the c****av***s p******c and the country’s pr********n for this once-in-a-generation crisis.

Here, a collection of the biggest lies he’s told as the nation endures a public-health and economic calamity. This post will be updated as needed.

On the Nature of the Outbreak


When: Friday, February 7, and Wednesday, February 19
The claim: The c****av***s would weaken “when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a v***s.”
The t***h: When Trump made this claim, it was too early to tell whether the v***s’s spread would be dampened by warmer conditions, though public-health experts and epidemiologists were immediately skeptical of Trump’s comment. But the spring and summer have passed, and the p******c is still raging.

When: Thursday, February 27
The claim: The outbreak would be temporary: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle—it will disappear.”
The t***h: Anthony F***i, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, warned days later that he was concerned that “as the next week or two or three go by, we’re going to see a lot more community-related cases.” He was right—the v***s has not disappeared.

When: Multiple times
The claim: If the economic shutdown continues, deaths by suicide “definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about” for C****-** deaths.
The t***h: More than 200,000 Americans have died from C****-**. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, suicide is one of the leading causes of death in the United States. But the number of people who died by suicide in 2017, for example, was roughly 47,000, nowhere near the C****-** numbers. Estimates of the mental-health toll of the Great Recession are mixed. A 2014 study tied more than 10,000 suicides in Europe and North America to the financial crisis. But a larger analysis in 2017 found that although the rate of suicide was increasing in the United States, the increase could not be directly tied to the recession and was attributable to broader socioeconomic conditions predating the downturn.

When: Multiple times
The claim: “C****av***s numbers are looking MUCH better, going down almost everywhere,” and cases are “coming way down.”
The t***h: When Trump made these claims in May, c****av***s cases were either increasing or plateauing in the majority of American states. Over the summer, the country saw a second surge even greater than its first in the spring.



When: Wednesday, June 17
The claim: The p******c is “fading away. It’s going to fade away.”
The t***h: Trump made this claim ahead of his rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma, when the country was still seeing at least 20,000 new daily cases and a second spike in infections was beginning.

When: Thursday, July 2
The claim: The p******c is “getting under control.”
The t***h: Trump’s claim came as the country’s daily cases doubled to about 50,000, a higher count than was seen at the beginning of the p******c, and as the number continued to rise, fueled by infections in the South and the West.

When: Saturday, July 4
The claim: “99%” of C****-** cases are “totally harmless.”
The t***h: The v***s can still cause tremendous suffering if it doesn’t k**l a patient, and the WHO has said that about 15 percent of C****-** cases can be severe, with 5 percent being critical. F***i has rejected Trump’s claim, saying the evidence shows that the v***s “can make you seriously ill” even if it doesn’t k**l you.

When: Monday, July 6
The claim: “We now have the lowest Fatality (Mortality) Rate in the World.”
The t***h: The U.S. had neither the lowest mortality rate nor the lowest case-fatality rate when Trump made this claim. As of July 13, the case-fatality rate—the ratio of deaths to confirmed C****-** cases—was 4.1 percent, which placed the U.S. solidly in the middle of global rankings. At the time, it had the world’s ninth-worst mortality rate, with 41.33 deaths per 100,000 people, according to Johns Hopkins University.


When: Multiple times
The claim: Mexico is partly to blame for C****-** surges in the Southwest.
The t***h: Even before Latin America’s C****-** cases began to rise, the U.S. and Mexico had jointly agreed in March to restrict nonessential land travel between the two countries, and U.S. Customs and Border Protection says illegal border crossings are down compared with last year. Health experts say blaming Mexican immigrants for surges is misguided, especially when most of the individuals crossing the border are U.S. citizens who live nearby.

When: Multiple times
The claim: Children are “virtually immune” to C****-**.
The t***h: The science is not definitive, but that doesn’t mean children are immune. Studies in the U.S. and China have suggested that kids are less likely than adults to be infected, and more likely to have mild symptoms, but can still spread the v***s to their family members and others. The CDC has said that about 7 percent of C****-** cases and less than 0.1 percent of C****-**-related deaths have occurred in children.

When: Thursday, August 27
The claim: The U.S. has “among the lowest case-fatality rates of any major country anywhere in the world.”
The t***h: When Trump said this, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, and India all had lower case-fatality rates than the U.S., which sat in the middle of performance rankings among all nations and among the 20 countries hardest hit by the v***s.

When: Thursday, August 27
The claim: Trump “launched the largest national mobilization since World War II” against C****-**, and America “developed, from scratch, the largest and most advanced testing system in the world.”
The t***h: These claims are incorrect and misleading. The federal government’s c****av***s response has been roundly criticized as a failure because of flawed and delayed testing, entrenched ine******y that has amplified the v***s’s effects, and chaotic federal leadership that’s left much of the country’s response up to the states to handle. Trump vacillated on fully invoking the Defense Production Act in March, set off international panic when he mistakenly said he was banning all travel from European nations, and was slow to support social-distancing measures nationwide. Widespread use of the DPA was still rare in July, despite continued shortages of medical supplies.

Another claim: Trump celebrated a gain of 9 million jobs as “a record in the history of our country” and said that the United States had experienced “the smallest economic contraction of any major Western nation.”
The t***h: The country did gain 9 million jobs from May to July—after losing more than 20 million from February to April, during the p******c’s first surge. And more than a dozen developed countries have recorded smaller economic contractions than America’s recession.

When: Multiple times
The claim: America is “rounding the corner” and “rounding the final turn” of the p******c.
The t***h: Trump made these claims before and after the country registered 200,000 c****av***s deaths. As the winter approaches, the number of c****av***s cases is increasing in almost every state; in the last week of October, cases rose faster than reported tests in 47 of the 50 states, according to the C***D Tracking Project.

When: Multiple times
The claim: The media is overblowing fears about the v***s ahead of E******n Day.
The t***h: There is no media conspiracy to hype up the v***s threat. Cases and hospitalizations are rising across the country, and America set and broke multiple daily case records during the last week of October, nearing 100,000 cases in a single day on Friday.

When: Multiple times
The claim: "What happens is, you get better” after being sick with C****-**. “That's what happens: You get better.”
The t***h: While most cases of C****-** are mild, that doesn’t negate the risk the v***s poses. As of the beginning of November, it has k**led more than 220,000 Americans.

Another claim: “You get better and then you’re immune.”
The t***h: Although similar v***ses provide some short-term immunity after recovery, doctors don’t yet know how long C****-** immunity lasts, especially given anecdotal reports of reinfection. Trump’s claim also ignores the long-term side effects of contracting C****-** that so-called long-haulers have reported.

When: Multiple times
The claim: A CDC study shows that “85 percent of the people wearing masks catch” the v***s.
The t***h: The CDC study that the president cited in interviews does not suggest that people who wear masks get the v***s at higher rates than those who don’t, CNN reported. The lie also distorts the purpose of mask-wearing, which is chiefly to protect other people from the v***s, not to protect only the mask-wearer herself.

Blaming the Obama Administration

When: Wednesday, March 4
The claim: The Trump White House rolled back Food and Drug Administration regulations that limited the kind of laboratory tests states could run and how they could conduct them. “The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we’re doing,” Trump said.
The t***h: The Obama administration drafted, but never implemented, changes to rules that regulate laboratory tests run by states. Trump’s policy change relaxed an FDA requirement that would have forced private labs to wait for FDA authorization to conduct their own, non-CDC-approved c****av***s tests.

When: Friday, March 13
The claim: The Obama White House’s response to the H1N1 p******c was “a full scale disaster, with thousands dying, and nothing meaningful done to fix the testing problem, until now.”
The t***h: Barack Obama declared a public-health emergency two weeks after the first U.S. cases of H1N1 were reported, in California. (Trump declared a national emergency more than seven weeks after the first domestic C****-** case was reported, in Washington State.) While testing is a problem now, it wasn’t back in 2009. The challenge then was v*****e development: Production was delayed and the v*****e wasn’t distributed until the outbreak was already waning.
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When: Multiple times
The claim: The Trump White House “inherited” a “broken,” “bad,” and “obsolete” test for the c****av***s.
The t***h: The novel c****av***s did not exist in humans during the Obama administration. Public-health experts agree that, because of that fact, the CDC could not have produced a test, and thus a new test had to be developed this year.


When: Multiple times
The claim: The Obama administration left Trump “bare” and “empty” shelves of medical supplies in the national strategic stockpile.
The t***h: The 2009 H1N1 outbreak did deplete the N95 mask supply and was never replenished, but the Obama administration did not leave the stockpile empty of other materials. While the stockpile has never been funded at the levels some experts have requested, its former director said in 2019, before the c****av***s p******c, that it was well-equipped. (The outbreak has since eaten away at its reserves.)

When: Sunday, May 10
The claim: Referring to criticism of his administration’s response, Trump tweeted: “Compare that to the Obama/Sleepy Joe disaster known as H1N1 Swine Flu. Poor marks ... didn’t have a clue!”
The t***h: It is misleading to compare C****-** to H1N1 and to call the Obama administration’s response a disaster, as my colleague Peter Nicholas has reported. In 2009, the CDC quickly f**gged the new flu strain in California and began releasing antiflu drugs from the national stockpile two weeks later. A v*****e was available in six months.

Another claim: Trump later attacked “Joe Biden’s handling of the H1N1 Swine Flu.”
The t***h: Biden was not responsible for the federal government’s response to the H1N1 outbreak, as Nicholas has also explained.

On C****av***s Testing

When: Friday, March 6, and Monday, May 11
The claim: “Anybody that needs a test, gets a test. We—they’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful” and “If somebody wants to be tested right now, they’ll be able to be tested.”
The t***h: Trump made these two claims two months apart, but the t***h was the same both times: The U.S. did not have enough testing.

When: Wednesday, March 11
The claim: In an Oval Office address, Trump said that private-health-insurance companies had “agreed to waive all co-payments for c****av***s treatments, extend insurance coverage to these treatments, and to prevent surprise medical billing.”
The t***h: Insurers agreed only to absorb the cost of c****av***s testing—waiving co-pays and deductibles for getting the test. The Families First C****av***s Response Act, the second c****av***s-relief bill passed by Congress, later mandated that C****-** testing be made free. The federal government has not required insurance companies to cover follow-up treatments, though some providers announced in late March that they will pay for treatments. The costs of other non-c****av***s testing or treatment incurred by patients who have C****-** or are trying to get a diagnosis aren’t waived either. And as for surprise medical billing? Mitigating it would require the cooperation of insurers, doctors, and hospitals.


Read: The dangerous delays in U.S. c****av***s testing

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Tied directly to trump continued denial of the impacts of the v***s was he failure to tie the direction of the Americans economic problems directly to the v***s.

To the very end he totally denied that connection.
On top of that he failed to accept Americans healthcare concerns because of the v***s and instead continued to push abolishment if the ACA with no replacement ready to go.

Rose42

"What do we REALLY want to see? Complete lock-down? Suspend schools? Travel bans? "

No, no and no. Use common sense and practice basic hygiene. Wear a mask inside stores and public buildings.

People aren't interested in answering the above questions. Instead they just want another chance for their "orange man bad" blather. Lather, rinse and repeat and repeat and repeat.

Rose42

"What do we REALLY want to see? Complete lock-down? Suspend schools? Travel bans? "

No, no and no. Use common sense and practice basic hygiene. Wear a mask inside stores and public buildings.

People aren't interested in answering the above questions. Instead they just want another chance for their "orange man bad" blather. Lather, rinse and repeat and repeat and repeat.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

No one is talking any of that why bring it up.
Trump didn’t want it and no one even suggested that he do that.
Biden has talked about a national “ policy@ to mask but has not to my knowledge talked about a mandate only on federal property ( something trump could and should have done )but never talked about a national mandate.
Beyond that he has only said he will organization a group to decide America’s course.


So why the scare tactics?

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

The t***h from Trump—from the beginning, back to February, unifying the nation; instead of the false bravado, and false sense of security would have been the approach of a leader.
In a nutshell, Trump lied from the beginning to Americans about a national health crisis. History will not forgive him for that.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

Thanks for not answering the questions.

Rose42

{sigh} Here we go again. What scare tactics? I answered these questions and there were no 'scare tactics' in my answer -

"What do we REALLY want to see? Complete lock-down? Suspend schools? Travel bans? "

Rose42

That's already been said many, many times. Forget Trump. He's done and he won't tell the t***h.

"What do we REALLY want to see? Complete lock-down? Suspend schools? Travel bans? "

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

That’s the point . No one is talking those things why bring them up ?

Rose42

Then don't bother answering if you don't like the questions rather than your usual "orange man bad" response. I didn't bring them up. You didn't read the OP did you.

Tex-s

I said Trump's words would not be Biden's words. The question is not a retroactive look at Trump the talk, but rather what you/we suggest be done differently than Trump policy/policy suggestion. I just don't see a space for much greater action that is also constitutional.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

Unify the country with the t***h is a good start—something that Trump did not attempt. After that, personally I have no answers except to trust the experts and science, again something Trump rejected. They knew there would be a surge in the winter. Trump said it would “disappear”.

Biden will not make the v***s “disappear”. No one can. But I think he will be realistic about the gravity of it, and he will listen to the experts. He will be honest to promote definite measures to gain some control—wh**ever those might be. Aside from that, I am no p******c authority.
I don’t want my President whoever he or she might be, to lie to me. Trust my intelligence by telling me the t***h.



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LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

Ummmm ... yes they are.