photodoc16

Hogs,
Why is it that I have to drop the size of an image file from about 60MB to 433k in order to send it out via email and even then it just squeaked by?
I have asked this question before including the fact that Photoshop, Elements and my Gmail program all give me discrepant results regarding image size.
I thought I would just have to keep resizing until today when the rediculously small size of an image just made me annoyed.
Is there an answer to this situation. I use Photoshop 2021 and Elements 13 with Windows 10.
Thanks,
Photodoc16
Richard

Quixdraw Loc: x

I had the same problem with Win 7 - even a single inserted photo would hang forever in the outbox and never be sent. Discovered I could simply copy and paste photos into an Email and no problem. Never did figure out the issue, but have sent six or 7 images in the same note.

bleirer

I think gmail limits files to 25 megabytes but after that they switch you to the free google drive so much bigger files can be sent. I use 'export as' in Photoshop to save the file as a jpeg and just add it as an attachment to a regular email.

photodoc16

Hi Quixdraw,
Interesting idea. I just cannot rationalize how that works. It is almost like the image size does not matter if it is cut and pasted. The situation now is so frustrating that I will give C+P a shot.
Thanks,
Photodoc16

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

You can (and should) downsample to the recipient's required size - 2048 on the longest side is pretty typical. Then you set the quality to around 70. This should get you to a smaller file size. If you have Photoshop 2021, you also have Lightroom. Doing this in LR is very easy - in the export dialog you set the dimension in pixels on the longest side, and you set the maximum file size to 500 kb - which will adjust the quality for you. Saving a setting you like to use it again is one of LR's strengths.

This image was made with those settings with a quality of 70. The file size is 737 kb.

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John Hicks Loc: Sible Hedinham North Essex England

Photodiode 16. Here is the answer to your problem Dropbox or Transferxl I don't know whether these programs are only available in England but I regulary send photos totalling 150 or 200 gigabytes by email using either of these two programs my preference is transfers as you can send up to 250 th for free or if you pay a subscription at least 500 gb

John Hicks Loc: Sible Hedinham North Essex England

Photodocs 16. Here is the answer to your problem Dropbox or Transferxl I don't know whether these programs are only available in England but I regulary send photos totalling 150 or 200 gigabytes by email using either of these two programs my preference is transfers as you can send up to 250 th for free or if you pay a subscription at least 500 gb

photodoc16

Hi Bleirer,
I do almost the same thing and attach photos to Gmail. But Gmail does indeed have that 25MB limit and rejects many photos that in PS measure much less than 25MB. Also, I think some folks have a problem opening photos that go by Google Drive. Many of my photos do not originate in PS and tend to go back where they came from before I can send them out. This is a 'work in progress."
Thanks,
Photodoc16

Cany143 Loc: SE Utah

Most ISP's limit --in Mb's, not in physical L x H pixel dimensions-- email attachments to 20Mb's or less. Consequently, while its possible on your end to attach (or embed) a 60Mb image into/onto an email, unless your provider allows larger email/files, that email will result in the email being undeliverable. This MB limitation is one of the reasons people use DropBox (or similar) to send or share large image (or text) files. Otherwise, the only reason I can think of why you'd only be able to squeak by with a 433k image would relate to extremely poor internet/email connectivity.

DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA

I have been looking at the "quality number" that is used to write a jpg from an image in an editing/viewing program. The work is incomplete so I won't mention any results just yet but the jpg quality can get pretty low before any significant degradation is apparent to me. It's entirely possible that at my age someone else would see things differently (I have an eye exam coming up next month and preliminary indications are that I need a new prescription). Photoshop will write an image with a quality given by an integer between 0 and 12. I could not see any difference in any of them. I'm working with Windows so I checked out IrfanView and FastStone, which will write with a quality given by an integer between 1 and 100. I saw no difference by eye with quality set above 40. Getting down to 1 looks pretty gross. But the size of the file definitely decreases with the quality number. Took four images and recorded the file sizes after writing with various quality numbers (first chart). Also took the images and compared the original tif to the jpg at various qualities (second chart). The numbers are the RMS difference between the original image and the image saved from either IrfanView or FastStone. (They appear to use the same algorithm because the numbers overlap).

I should note that the usual method of comparing images, placing them side by side and trying to spot differences, is really unsatisfactory. I took the two images, displayed them overlapped, and switched focus from one to the other and back to create a "blink test". Works much better since differences can be small and localized.

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bleirer

So I just sat here and tried it, on windows 10, so not sure what's happening that it isn't working for you.

My raw files are about 23 mb but when they open as a tiff in photoshop they end up being 74 mb according to the image size dialog under the image menu. if I go to file/export as, over to the left is the file size that would result after you choose the pixel dimensions and the quality setting. Even at full pixel size around 4000x6000 and 100% quality the resulting jpeg is only 12 mb. I sent that file via a gmail attachment no problem. At 90% quality its only 8 mb. Dropping the pixel count to 2000 pixels wide at 100% quality it is only a 2 mb jpeg file.

So it remains a mystery.

bcplimpton Loc: Southern New Jersey

If you are exporting as a JPEG for email, try reducing it from 100% to 60% i.e. greater compression and you will find that the resulting JPEG will be a lot more than 40% smaller in kb while retaining the actual dimensions of the original.

photodoc16

Hello Bleirer,
I went into the Export As program in PS and saw what you were referring to. When I first opened it up it looked like it was set to export in a PNG format. I changed that to a .jpg, dropped quality to 75%, and the size became about 7MB from 60MB. But I could not figure out what to do with that screen. How do you transfer that info to the site that sends the image? When I sized the image in PS and saw 60MB again I knew that nothing had changed. The fact is that with my Gmail, 7MB will probably cause a problem even though the upper limit should be 25MB. How do I manage the info on the Export As page to influence the actual export and where do I even enter the address of the recipient? Or am I supposed to email it from Lightroom which has its own problems?
Thanks,
Photodoc16

bleirer

Keep the convert to srgb and imbed color profile checked and click the export button. Give it a name and decide where to save the jpeg. Then open your gmail and click the little paperclip icon at the bottom, browse to find the new jpeg and attach it to your email. You can select multiple jpegs at once as long as it stays under 25mb for gmail.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

When I save my Jpeg images to my computer, Photoshop asks me the size. As I move the slider, it will give me the size, it is really easy. I have never had an issue, in fact, I save the original size and a small size I can email or post here.