On this very day 29 October ...
Oct 29, 2020 07:24:34 #
LWW
Loc: Banana Republic of America
AD 1960 - Cassius Clay, later known as Muhammad Ali, made his professional boxing debut at FREEDOM HALL in Louisville, Kentucky. He defeated Tunney Hundaker in a unanimous six round decision.
AD 1956 - Chester Robert Huntley and David McClure Brinkley appear together for the first time as the ‘HUTLEY-BRINKLEY REPORT’ on the NATIONAL BROADCASTING COMPANY TELEVISION NETWORK.
BC 539 - King Cyrus ‘THE GREAT’ of Persia marches into Babylon, frees the Jewish slaves and allows them to return home.
AD 1956 - Chester Robert Huntley and David McClure Brinkley appear together for the first time as the ‘HUTLEY-BRINKLEY REPORT’ on the NATIONAL BROADCASTING COMPANY TELEVISION NETWORK.
BC 539 - King Cyrus ‘THE GREAT’ of Persia marches into Babylon, frees the Jewish slaves and allows them to return home.
Oct 29, 2020 07:25:51 #
Oct 29, 2020 08:11:00 #
LWW wrote:
AD 1960 - Cassius Clay, later known as Muhammad Al... (show quote)
I remember those first two events not so much the last.
Oct 29, 2020 08:35:26 #
Oct 29, 2020 09:45:19 #
When I was a sophomore in h.s., Cassius Clay, as he was known then, was in his early career. He was exciting. Man, could he dance. Opponents didn't know what to make of it and just stood back and watched, only to be struck by an Ali right when he was done dancing!!! Amazingly, his fights were shown on t.v., mainly on Wide World of Sports. I can remember getting home from a J.V. baseball game (away game) just in time to see one of his fights. He was brash and certainly backed up everything he said. It would have been very interesting to see Clay/Ali and Liston really go at it and not have Liston tank the fight. Liston was scary.
Oct 29, 2020 10:13:57 #
LWW
Loc: Banana Republic of America
SteveR wrote:
When I was a sophomore in h.s., Cassius Clay, as h... (show quote)
Liston thought Ali was insane and was terrified of him for that reason.
Oct 29, 2020 10:33:43 #
LWW wrote:
Liston thought Ali was insane and was terrified of him for that reason.
What? That could make him box better? Did you see what Liston did to Patterson? I don't think insanity would have helped anybody in fighting Liston. It would take superior boxing skills. As good as Clay/Ali was, was he there yet? Don't know. It would have been interesting to find out.
Oct 29, 2020 14:30:19 #
Crazy in that he would have charged in like a cross between the Charge of the Light Brigade and a Kamikaze but in a hit and run fashion.
No give, no real retreat, just a victory or death kind of fight and being younger if he could have avoided being knocked out he could have out lasted Listen by just plain never quitting.
No give, no real retreat, just a victory or death kind of fight and being younger if he could have avoided being knocked out he could have out lasted Listen by just plain never quitting.
Oct 29, 2020 15:21:44 #
LWW
Loc: Banana Republic of America
SteveR wrote:
What? That could make him box better? Did you see what Liston did to Patterson? I don't think insanity would have helped anybody in fighting Liston. It would take superior boxing skills. As good as Clay/Ali was, was he there yet? Don't know. It would have been interesting to find out.
Liston was scared of him enough to try to fix the fight by having ligament put on Ali's towel in his corner which got in his eyes.
Clay lived inside Liston's head rent free.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_vs._Sonny_Liston
Oct 30, 2020 07:16:07 #
Many years later, I saw Ali at a luncheon.
He was so addled he could not form a complete sentance.
Very sad.....
He was so addled he could not form a complete sentance.
Very sad.....
Oct 30, 2020 08:12:44 #
SteveR wrote:
When I was a sophomore in h.s., Cassius Clay, as h... (show quote)
I think Ali would have just worn Liston out...maybe a late round KO.
Oct 30, 2020 08:56:37 #
Oct 30, 2020 19:38:55 #
Rick-ws
Loc: Seattle or North Idaho
1928: My father was born in Greenpoint Brooklyn at a midwife's house to two European immigrants(1 legal, the other not). A year later, black Tuesday. What a start to a long and happy 90 years.
Oct 30, 2020 20:37:01 #
Dannj wrote:
I think Ali would have just worn Liston out...maybe a late round KO.
If Ali was able to avoid Liston's best punches. Ali never really had been hit. We know the toll Smokin' Joe took on him. Liston could have done the same. Joe was just a lot smarter than Liston.
Oct 30, 2020 22:34:45 #
[quote=SteveR]If Ali was able to avoid Liston's best punches. Ali never really had been hit. We know the toll Smokin' Joe took on him. Liston could have done the same. Joe was just a lot smarter than Liston.[/quote
You’re right about Frazier being a lot smarter. I was in my teens when Cassius Clay came along and my Dad was a big boxing fan. He didn’t like Clay at all but he knew he was good. Frazier and Ali put on some great bouts.
You’re right about Frazier being a lot smarter. I was in my teens when Cassius Clay came along and my Dad was a big boxing fan. He didn’t like Clay at all but he knew he was good. Frazier and Ali put on some great bouts.
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