High Horse Syndrome.
Oct 19, 2020 13:00:46 #
R.G., unfortunately, your topic fits right in with those you're criticizing. You've simply given people the opportunity to denigrate (or casually make fun of) others.
One observation, for what it's worth: when someone says "PP is only for fixing problems," replying to them is fruitless. The writer is either a troll, laughing at the sincere efforts of others to enlighten him, or laughing at those who rise to the bait and argue with him. Or he is so entrenched in his myopic view, that a sincere reply is simply a wasted effort.
If people aren't interested in learning/teaching, then main discussion forum will continue to be entertaining for some and frustrating for others.
One observation, for what it's worth: when someone says "PP is only for fixing problems," replying to them is fruitless. The writer is either a troll, laughing at the sincere efforts of others to enlighten him, or laughing at those who rise to the bait and argue with him. Or he is so entrenched in his myopic view, that a sincere reply is simply a wasted effort.
If people aren't interested in learning/teaching, then main discussion forum will continue to be entertaining for some and frustrating for others.
Oct 19, 2020 13:07:20 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
R.G., unfortunately, your topic fits right in with... (show quote)
Unfortunately "replying to them is fruitless" is probably going to be true most of the time. On the other hand some of them might get wary of being branded as a sufferer of High Horse Syndrome. Saying nothing would probably result in things continuing just the same as before - so it's worth a try, don't you think?
Oct 19, 2020 13:12:22 #
R.G. wrote:
Your opening suggested "identify and avoid the usual derailers."Unfortunately "replying to them is fruitless" is probably going to be true most of the time. On the other hand some of them might get wary of being branded as a sufferer of High Horse Syndrome. Saying nothing would probably result in things continuing just the same as before - so it's worth a try, don't you think?
Please explain further the difference between branding and avoiding
Oct 19, 2020 13:21:21 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
Your opening suggested "identify and avoid the usual derailers."
Please explain further the difference between branding and avoiding
Please explain further the difference between branding and avoiding
The "derailers" are the behaviours and trigger subjects (which I went on to provide samples of) rather than the perpetrators themselves. I don't intend to set myself up as a brander or any other kind of judge, but if the problematic behaviours can be identified and therefore more easily spotted, the perpetrators can be more easily called out (preferably by whoever is on the receiving end). Whenever there's a problem it usually helps to clarify what is the exact nature of the problem. And doing or saying nothing usually isn't an answer.
Oct 19, 2020 14:27:55 #
R.G. wrote:
Just some wishful thinking (that it might make a difference and improve things - no harm in wishing).
(Just googled HOSARP. If it's not a city in India then I'm lost.....
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(Just googled HOSARP. If it's not a city in India then I'm lost.....
).High Order of Self-Appointed Real Photographers - your term.
Seriously, I think it is less an issue of HOSARP, and more an issue of fear of different/progress - the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" crowd. The truth is that photography benefits from both - those who hold onto time-proven techniques, equipment, artistic expression, and those who embrace cutting edge stuff. This is all over the art world, not just in photography. You could ask Picaso if he were still alive. Every time there is something new, there will be those who will resist acceptance on the basis that "it is NOT how we do things around here." Others will use the novelty as an inspiration to build upon - and bingo! we have a new "thing" to use creatively and expressively. The former group, keeps us grounded, the latter keeps us curious about new "stuff" - constantly reinventing, exploring, etc.
Oct 19, 2020 14:34:14 #
R.G. wrote:
Unfortunately, there are mine fields everywhere. Consider:The "derailers" are the behaviours and t... (show quote)
On the 17th Gene51 did a quote reply to Ed Shapiro, with the first sentence: "there are too many Luddites on this forum to make a discussion of anything other than composition and exposure choices."
Full paragraph is here.
I give this example because the comment led to a funny (to some) reply by Ed here...which led to a very nasty comment by traderjohn, which led to a spanking from Ed.
Main discussion forum cannot be changed. It's too large and the freedom to act impulsively and badly is exploited by many. I appreciate the UHH owner/Admin allowing creation of the volunteer-managed sections, but there aren't many long-time members left who regularly support them, and new users aren't automatically subscribed.
It is what it is.
Oct 19, 2020 14:45:41 #
Gene51 wrote:
High Order of Self-Appointed Real Photographers - ... (show quote)
Maybe I should have come up with a title with a snappier acronym
. Your validations sound accurate. I can remember from film days that it felt important to get it right in camera. But it's still annoying to see post processing labeled as this or that when the truth is it's a tool with a lot of positive potential. And I don't think it's a good idea to describe photography or photographs as this or that when it's different things to different people, and nobody can claim that their (very subjective) description is the defining one. It would be nice to think that we could resolve these issues so that they don't become a recurring theme, but that's probably not going to happen.Oct 19, 2020 15:11:16 #
Gene51 wrote:
b H /b igh b O /b rder of b S /b elf- b A /b pp... (show quote)
It's not just new stuff that people are objecting to. Take composite images. They have been done in photography virtually since its invention, and have alway been part of photography. But now with digital they are easier and more accessible, but some claim they are not real photography or outright fakery. Swapping out skies is one of the first such techniques since the early orthochromatic films or plates rendered skies a blank white.
Oct 19, 2020 15:27:24 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
Unfortunately, there are mine fields everywhere.......
I agree that those who intentionally troll are a problem but that's not the problem I was referring to. I believe that the High Horse Syndrome is separate from the problem of trolling. I also believe that whatever the problem is, calling them out and describing the problem truthfully will always be a more positive alternative to doing nothing or reacting negatively. We need to say to trolls "We know what your game is", and we need to say to the HHS sufferers "Your opinion isn't as absolute as you think it is". Having those problems clarified makes them easier to identify when they occur, which in turn makes it easier to respond with the appropriate behaviour.
Oct 19, 2020 15:29:14 #
R.G. wrote:
I think I finally get your point, R.G.! Sorry for the density display 😇I agree that those who intentionally troll are a p... (show quote)
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Oct 19, 2020 15:32:23 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
I think I finally get your point, R.G.! Sorry for the density display 😇
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Since you mention it, there probably are trolls that suffer from HHS. But tackling one problem at a time seems like a good idea 👍.
Oct 19, 2020 15:32:50 #
R.G. wrote:
Baby steps 😊 Since you mention it, there probably are trolls that suffer from HHS. But tackling one problem at a time seems like a good idea 👍.
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Oct 19, 2020 15:39:34 #
I realize everyone has (and is entitled to) their own opinions but, yeah, the internet, in general, would be a lot nicer place if they just kept them to themselves. So much discord is sown with senseless arguments and accusations that never change (nor should?) anything at all. I tend to try avoiding those types, and to take my own advice. It used to cause me so much rl frustration and I decided it's just not worth it. Life's far too short.
(but I'm probably still gonna grab a seat and make some popcorn as I watch this thread, lol)
(but I'm probably still gonna grab a seat and make some popcorn as I watch this thread, lol)
Oct 19, 2020 15:59:03 #
R.G. wrote:
Maybe I should have come up with a title with a sn... (show quote)
Just a thought:
High
Order of
Real
Self-Appointed
Entitled
Self-congratulatory
Angry
Superior
Shutterbugs
Oct 19, 2020 16:21:00 #
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