Navy question..
Sep 16, 2020 13:03:28 #
Surface ships always lean out...as do subs on the surface. They only roll in when submerged because as the stern skids sideways in a turn the sail starts to push them to an inward roll. Don’t know if the story is true...but when the LOs Angeles SSN 688 was on sea trials they supposedly exceeded test depth when doing their high speed maneuvering tests...because once the ship rolls 40 or 50 degrees the rudder which is significantly larger than the stern planes now looks like a giant stern plane on full dive and the ship turned in a vertical=ish plane. The class...and subsequent ones...have mechanical limiters that limit the rudder angle at high speeds now...that backs up the stories I heard and at high speed you really don’t need 30 degrees of rudder anyway...you turn plenty quick with 5 or 10 and don’t suffer any significant speed loss. A flank speed full rudder turn kills about half of your speed after a 180 degree turn.
Sep 16, 2020 13:23:17 #
singleshot
Loc: Georgia
Hal81 wrote:
While in the navy during the Korean war I was asked whats the difference between a boat and a ship? I said ok Ill bite what is the ans. He replied "A boat can be carried on a ship but a ship cant be carried on a boat"....
As an Aviation Cadet back in the early 50's we were taught that both boats and ships were targets of opportunity, but a ship is easier to hit.(before any hackles are raised that is intended to be a joke) Thanks for your service sir.
Sep 16, 2020 13:41:05 #
Morry
Loc: Palm Springs, CA
Hal81 wrote:
While in the navy during the Korean war I was asked whats the difference between a boat and a ship? I said ok Ill bite what is the ans. He replied "A boat can be carried on a ship but a ship cant be carried on a boat"....
Sounds right to me, however there are sometimes exceptions to almost everything.
Here's one for some of you "Old Salts". When I was in the Navy (active duty 1955-1956) I was for a time the telephone talker for the Captain of the ship (USS Boston CAG-1) on the bridge. When we came into or left any port of call. one of the things he would order me to do was "drop the pit sword arm" . . . I think this message was directed to the after steering room.
Does anyone know what this command would mean?
Incidentally this ship that I was on was the world's 1st active duty guided missile cruiser. We operated with the USS Forestall largest air craft carrier of this time and the Nautilus (1st atomic submarine).
Sep 16, 2020 14:36:46 #
SteveFranz
Loc: Durham, NC
47greyfox wrote:
As an ex-sub sailor, I can confidently say that ships are targets and submarines are boats.
Great reply. Semper Fi brother! USMC 1961-64
Sep 16, 2020 14:41:12 #
Shellback wrote:
Then you'll recognize my bird 
The closest any bird ever came to a boat I served on.
Sep 16, 2020 16:22:37 #
the above answers appear correct, however, I was in the army (ours I think) with a lot of guys who crossed the atlantic in WWII and from what they told me, "boat" was only 1/2 a word..... GBG Ed
Sep 16, 2020 17:05:31 #
Sep 16, 2020 18:42:47 #
Retired CPO wrote:
Yes P-3 Orion soon to be gone and replaced by the P-8.
There was a P-3 squadron at NAS Willow Grove near Philadelphia. I would see them flying around quite often.
Sep 16, 2020 18:44:35 #
Retired CPO wrote:
Yes P-3 Orion soon to be gone and replaced by the P-8.
Would like to get a flight on the P-8... We used to take retired sailors on flights with us when we flew overseas - not sure if they allow that anymore...
Sep 16, 2020 19:21:08 #
IDguy
Loc: Idaho
rmorrison1116 wrote:
As a general rule in modern times, post wind powered vessels, a "ship" weighs at lease 500 tons and a "boat" weighs less than 500 tons. This general rule does not apply to certain types of war ships such as submarines, which may weigh upwards of 7 thousand tons and are referred to as boats.
Except submarines are boats. And Tridents weigh 48,000 tons.
Sep 16, 2020 19:55:55 #
IDguy wrote:
Except submarines are boats. And Tridents weigh 48,000 tons.
yes, "Electric Boat" builds our submarines in Ct.
Sep 16, 2020 20:02:38 #
Greg from Romeoville illinois
Loc: Romeoville illinois
"drop the pit sword arm" /quote]
The pit sword is a device to measure the speed in the water. It hangs down below the ship and when going into port, it has to be raised or torn off.
The pit sword is a device to measure the speed in the water. It hangs down below the ship and when going into port, it has to be raised or torn off.
Sep 16, 2020 20:04:40 #
Greg from Romeoville illinois
Loc: Romeoville illinois
sr71 wrote:
Canoe Club ?
Refers to the coast guard
Sep 16, 2020 20:53:38 #
IDguy wrote:
Except submarines are boats. And Tridents weigh 48,000 tons.
Nice guess, But, a submerged Ohio class submarine displaces 18,750 tons, about twice as much as a 640 class FBM.
Sep 16, 2020 20:55:15 #
ek2lckd wrote:
yes, "Electric Boat" builds our submarines in Ct.
As a retired EB employee, I can confidently say, “EB builds thEBest and fixes the rest.”
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