curmudgeonhabsfan Loc: Calgary, Ab

Worldometers.info reports the US currently has 6,488,728 c****av***s cases, 193,598 deaths and as of January 1, 2021, a projected death toll of 410,451.

To an outsider, it appears it’s politics over science in the US.

From news coverage, it seems the focus is more on what politicians want and less on important things like bringing this v***s under control in the US. Things need to change if that January 1st projection is going to be reduced. And, I wouldn’t be relying on a promised v*****e that may or may not be available or reliable.

The families and friends of those with C****-** or deceased because of it deserve more than empty words.

ecblackiii Loc: Maryland

Don't jump to uninformed conclusions. According to the CDC, of all the US deaths attributed to c****av***s, less than 10,000 were people truly k**led by c****av***s. All but those 9,000 plus were people who already had some other serious disease that causes death well before they got c****av***s! Doctors have been told to attribute any death to the c****av***s if it is believed present (because the government pays a much higher hospital charge for that). It's like blaming the death of a lifetime heavy smoker with metasticized final stage lung cancer on c****av***s because his C****-** test happened to give a false positive.

curmudgeonhabsfan Loc: Calgary, Ab

I think the CDC, Dr F***i, and others explained that this information was misinterpreted and misrepresented. Intentionally? The death toll as a result of C****-** is as stated, over 193,000. And does it matter if a person was “truly k**led by c****av***s” or died as a result of complications caused by the v***s. They’re still dead, right?

IDguy Loc: Idaho

The claim that hospitals get more money for C***d deaths is BS. My son is president of a local hospital. They are taking a huge financial hit by not bring able to do “elective” surgeries. He is taking a 40% pay cut.

Plus hospitals do not determine cause of death.

IDguy Loc: Idaho

Looking at 2020 deaths vs. 2019 is unaffected by “cause of death” determinations. Look at % of expected.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/C***D19/index.htm

The drop in recent weeks suggests that many of the “excess” deaths may have been a few months acceleration of deaths that would have happened this year anyway. It will be interesting to see. (Might be reporting delay as footnoted).

Doing this for other countries show many severely undercounting c***d deaths.

travelwp Loc: New Jersey

Thousands die each year of cancer from smoking, and there is no 'lead story about smoking fear' broadcast on TV and radio every hour, so maybe it's time to get t***h and sensibility.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Boyo / the c***d deniers are out in force aren’t they ?

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Drop !!!! 22 of the 50! States are on the rise.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Yes, it does matter! Silly question.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

sb Loc: Florida's East Coast

So - let me get this straight - you are saying that if you have diabetes but die in a car accident, we should say that the cause of death is diabetes? OK. makes a lot of sense.....not. The cause of death is the CAUSE OF DEATH. Certainly - as has been said from the beginning, those with underlying health conditions have a higher chance of death with this infection. The data about the 9,000 was published to emphasize that it IS possible to die from this even if you have no underlying health conditions.

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

H**X, h**x, h**x. The Democrat, socialist C****es also perpetrated the 1918 worldwide flu h**x!! BULL !

If an obese person with diabetes has a life expectancy of perhaps another 16 years and then gets C****-**, they begin with c*********d immunity and the C***D pushes them over the edge and they die, then yes the C***D k**led them. The actual cause was asphyxia from non-functioning fluid-filled lungs... are you telling me that the cause of death is aphasia!! Foolish, it is C****-**.

The illiterate Trumpites should read no further and continue to have faith in their 2nd coming of Christ, DJ Trump.

GW Bush administration in 2005 published a short outline of p******c-influenza-strategy protocol:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/p******c-resources/pdf/p******c-influenza-strategy-2005.pdf?_ga=2.57812386.908489341.1599650295-175482161.1599650295

In 2006 the 233-page full plan was provided.. again GW Bush:
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/p******c-resources/pdf/p******c-influenza-implementation.pdf?_ga=2.129639940.908489341.1599650295-175482161.1599650295

Obama set up an immediate action task force and a 69 "Playbook" [procedure] to deal with a wide range of High Consequences Emerging Biological Threats:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6819268/P******c-Playbook.pdf

Trump instead employed the methodology of François Duvalier also known as Papa Doc, who was a Haitian Dictator. He also revived the traditions of Vodou, later using them to consolidate his power with his claim of being a Vodou priest. The v***s will disappear as if by magic; Trump claimed this 13 times:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8yOv4PwttM

WNYShooter Loc: WNY

The vast majority of the decisions made by the US in regards to handling it's response to C***d have been directed by none other than Dr Anthony F***i. Maybe Trump shouldn't have listened to him?

Triple G

I doubt that Dr. F***i has any direct responsibility in the management of PPE, use of DPA or pushing the supplies procurement responsibility to the states to compete against each other for scarce resources.