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Aug 8, 2020 11:04:03   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Celsius is used by most of the world and also by scientists. When we hear that sea temperatures have increased by 2° C, some people laugh and think that's nothing. In terms of Fahrenheit, that's 3.6°, and it is significant, especially since the poles are heating up more quickly than the rest of the planet - and ice is melting.

What made me post this was a news article about the excessive heat and lack of water out west.

"...the border in eastern Utah — has warmed more than 2 degrees Celsius, double the global average."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/climate-environment/climate-change-colorado-utah-hot-spot/

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Aug 8, 2020 11:14:57   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
In C of F, it's still the same relative temperature differential.
Representing in F does not make it worse.
What is it in Kelvin?

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Aug 8, 2020 11:17:22   #
FotoHog Loc: on Cloud 9
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Celsius is used by most of the world and also by scientists. When we hear that sea temperatures have increased by 2° C, some people laugh and think that's nothing. In terms of Fahrenheit, that's 3.6°, and it is significant, especially since the poles are heating up more quickly than the rest of the planet - and ice is melting.

What made me post this was a news article about the excessive heat and lack of water out west.

"...the border in eastern Utah — has warmed more than 2 degrees Celsius, double the global average."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/climate-environment/climate-change-colorado-utah-hot-spot/
Celsius is used by most of the world and also by s... (show quote)


It's about time that America adopts the metric system to come in line with the rest of the world. . .

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Aug 8, 2020 11:20:51   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Longshadow wrote:
In C of F, it's still the same relative temperature differential.
Representing in F does not make it worse.
What is it in Kelvin?

But a translation from C to F makes the temperatures more meaningful to us.
I remember flying down to Venezuela many years ago in our Winter;
when the pilot announced the outside temperature as being something like 40 C, I thought nothing of it until I converted it to F!

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Aug 8, 2020 11:22:44   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
FotoHog wrote:
It's about time that America adopts the metric system to come in line with the rest of the world. . .


...as a carpenter, which means I'm an ingrained inch guy, I agree. My brother, the machinist, has been metric forever...

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Aug 8, 2020 11:23:01   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Longshadow wrote:
In C of F, it's still the same relative temperature differential.
Representing in F does not make it worse.
What is it in Kelvin?


2 deg K

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Aug 8, 2020 11:23:58   #
FotoHog Loc: on Cloud 9
 
Longshadow wrote:
In C of F, it's still the same relative temperature differential.
Representing in F does not make it worse.
What is it in Kelvin?


True, it does not make it worse. The difference lies in the perception of people that are not familiar with a system they are not use to.

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Aug 8, 2020 11:30:36   #
FotoHog Loc: on Cloud 9
 
chasgroh wrote:
...as a carpenter, which means I'm an ingrained inch guy, I agree. My brother, the machinist, has been metric forever...


As a woodworker it is perfectly natural for you to use the word "ingrained" in your comment . . .

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Aug 8, 2020 11:33:47   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
rehess wrote:
But a translation from C to F makes the temperatures more meaningful to us.
I remember flying down to Venezuela many years ago in our Winter;
when the pilot announced the outside temperature as being something like 40 C, I thought nothing of it until I converted it to F!


While true, for the relative meaning to people, it will also make people think that the difference is HOTTER, which it is NOT. Only the numbers repersenting the thermal value are different, not the actual amount of heat. Bigger difference has to be hotter, right?

That's what I was trying to point out. A change of 2° C and a change of 3.6° Fahrenheit is the SAME AMOUNT of heat differential. One is not a higher (hotter) or lower (cooler) amount of heat.

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Aug 8, 2020 11:34:02   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
FotoHog wrote:
It's about time that America adopts the metric system to come in line with the rest of the world. . .


There was a big push for that a few decades ago, and it fizzled. I worked In the Aerospace industry for awhile, and we built parts to both systems, but probably 80% of our orders (which came from all over the world) were for American threads and inches and the remainder metric, and all our machine tools were calibrated and programmed in inches and oz/lbs - probably because a large percentage of aerospace and defense contractors are American. I think it’s so ingrained into our fasteners, tools and culture that it’s unlikely to change anytime soon.

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Aug 8, 2020 11:34:39   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
FotoHog wrote:
As a woodworker it is perfectly natural for you to use the word "ingrained" in your comment . . .


Haha...I was wondering. ;0)

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Aug 8, 2020 11:44:40   #
FotoHog Loc: on Cloud 9
 
TriX wrote:
There was a big push for that a few decades ago, and it fizzled. I worked In the Aerospace industry for awhile, and we built parts to both systems, but probably 80% of our orders (which came from all over the world) were for American threads and inches and the remainder metric, and all our machine tools were calibrated and programmed in inches and oz/lbs - probably because a large percentage of aerospace and defense contractors are American. I think it’s so ingrained into our fasteners, tools and culture that it’s unlikely to change anytime soon.
There was a big push for that a few decades ago, a... (show quote)


I agree that it will not be anytime soon, and may in fact never happen. The cost of conversion would be enormous simply because both systems would have to be maintained for a very long time for obvious reasons.

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Aug 8, 2020 12:04:39   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
TriX wrote:
2 deg K


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Aug 8, 2020 12:10:09   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
FotoHog wrote:
True, it does not make it worse. The difference lies in the perception of people that are not familiar with a system they are not use to.

And unfortunately, guess what they will think...

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Aug 8, 2020 12:48:54   #
FotoHog Loc: on Cloud 9
 
Longshadow wrote:
And unfortunately, guess what they will think...


Exactly!!! and I have witnessed head-shaking arguments taking place over this issue.

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