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Jul 23, 2020 11:01:47   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Drive C: should be where you put the OS. If you have a large C: drive, the third drive mentioned above could be a partition on that drive. Looks like a separate drive. The second internal drive should be large enough to hold all your emails, word processing files, program configuration files, spreadsheets, and miscellaneous stuff. Images, ok if there aren't too many of them, but they tend to expand rapidly, and if you do video, they expand even more rapidly.

Of course you should also have a couple more external drives for backup purposes.
Drive C: should be where you put the OS. If you ha... (show quote)

Partitioning is not a good option. The data is separated but still on the same physical drive.

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Jul 23, 2020 11:03:45   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Partitioning is not a good option. The data is separated but still on the same physical drive.


It is indeed on the same physical drive, but we're talking about temporary data, nothing important.

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Jul 23, 2020 11:07:35   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
It is indeed on the same physical drive, but we're talking about temporary data, nothing important.

Actually it is as this were most of the problems are.

If you use PS CC and some other programs that are disk intensive the location and speed of the drive is VERY important. Starting a program and loading data is one thing, modifying it another. When modifying anything the computer swaps data all the time, loading, saving? Speed is not critical.*

Auto-save if performed too often can become an issue.

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Jul 23, 2020 11:16:35   #
Pixelpixie88 Loc: Northern Minnesota
 
lamiaceae wrote:
There virtually is no such thing as too much with computers and image processing. Don't listen to the people out there who are trying to still keep their antique Windows XP systems working with Photoshop CC or Lightroom CC variants. Yes, at a min. 2T HDD and or 512GB SSD + 1T HDD; and 24 to 32 GB RAM, Windows 10. DELL towers for me at this time, a XPS. A Dell Alienware Gamer could be a really good Photo PC (down grade sound card to save a little $).
There virtually is no such thing as too much with ... (show quote)


Thank you! I appreciate your answer!!

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Jul 23, 2020 11:19:02   #
Pixelpixie88 Loc: Northern Minnesota
 
bejamin wrote:
I tell folks get as much memory,RAM, as you want to afford. Then get a 1Tb drive as boot drive then a USB second external drive for data storage of photos etc. That should be at least 2Tb. But RAM is most important then processor. Good luck


Thank you...I was thinking that 16 g. of ram might be mediocre.

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Jul 23, 2020 14:10:46   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
If you want speed, use the new SSD M.2 internal for OS (500GB is plenty) and a second drive, a SSD too. Memory, 16GB is good enough, 32GB maybe better but be aware of diminishing returns. If you can upgrade the memory later on there is no need for larger amount of memory at the moment.

All folks mentioning the need for space are pack rats. Once an image is worked on and used it goes onto an external storage that really depends on how many USB drives you have - basically limitless -. When in storage speed is really not that important. What is it the durability of the storage media. What I am saying is a large internal drive is not needed.

Note: I would encourage you to have three drives, the third one being dedicated to temporary data created by both the OS and software used. It simplifies backing up, drive cleaning and correcting errors created by temp files. Believe it or not this must be the fasted drive in the computer.
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Yes, about once per year I move my "current" year of photos to two duplicate external drives for archiving. So I get by fine with the 1Tb my PC came with. It is usually no more than 40% full, often only 25%. But I have 32Gb of RAM, so paging may not even be all that important. Does Ps CS6 even page? I own 9 external drives, 6 2TB, 2 640GB (from old LapTop), and a 1TB. I only keep copies of my best images on the PC for sharing and printing.

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Jul 23, 2020 14:35:31   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Your camera is a factor because it determines how large your files are. That's relevant not just for storage but also for editing. At the moment the Ryzen 5 3600 (no X or T) is being regarded as the current sweet spot for performance and economy.

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Jul 23, 2020 14:50:14   #
Pixelpixie88 Loc: Northern Minnesota
 
R.G. wrote:
Your camera is a factor because it determines how large your files are. That's relevant not just for storage but also for editing. At the moment the Ryzen 5 3600 (no X or T) is being regarded as the current sweet spot for performance and economy.


I have a Nikon D7200 and about 10,000 photos in my LR catalog. (RAW) I will check this out.
Thanks for the info!

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Jul 23, 2020 15:07:20   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Pixelpixie88 wrote:
I have a Nikon D7200 and about 10,000 photos in my LR catalog. (RAW) I will check this out.
Thanks for the info!


By modern standards 24MP isn't large, but it still warrants considering 32MB of RAM. Even the fastest system is going to grind to a halt if it runs out of RAM.

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Jul 23, 2020 15:15:56   #
Pixelpixie88 Loc: Northern Minnesota
 
Ok...thanks, R.G.

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Jul 23, 2020 15:47:56   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Yes, about once per year I move my "current" year of photos to two duplicate external drives for archiving. So I get by fine with the 1Tb my PC came with. It is usually no more than 40% full, often only 25%. But I have 32Gb of RAM, so paging may not even be all that important. Does Ps CS6 even page? I own 9 external drives, 6 2TB, 2 640GB (from old LapTop), and a 1TB. I only keep copies of my best images on the PC for sharing and printing.

Paging takes regardless of the memory you have. You can adjust some in PS CC by using 'huge' in the memory setting preference options when you have lots of memory.

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Jul 23, 2020 15:49:50   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Pixelpixie88 wrote:
I need a new computer...(I did a search in here.) With technology changing so much, does anyone have any advice that is new? 16 gigs ram and 2 T. Is that adequate? Maybe something better.
Thanks...Marsha
Windows and Desktop.


No one else has asked a very important question. BUDGET!
And a monitor or will you use your old one?
My current machine was a $2000 rebuild of an iBuyPower gamer I bought almost 10 years ago - power circuits on MB went bad. I put in a new MB, newer/bigger SSD 'C' drive, new bigger power supply, new i9 CPU, more RAM, new CPU cooler and new bigger video card plus a few other minor things.
I bought the parts and paid our local tech to install them into my full tower case and transfer some of the stuff of my old build to our special needs son's desktop - now his train simulators run much faster. I reused my full tower case, fans, card readers, storage drives, keyboard, mouse, speakers and monitor.
I got my specs here: (this is an update of the article I used last year) https://photographylife.com/the-ultimate-pc-build-for-photography-needs
Since I could afford it I went for the first build they list here.
I am dreaming of a bigger monitor (using a 27" graphic arts monitor) since more and more screen space gets taken up by ads, menus etc and I like to see things as big as possible.

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Jul 23, 2020 15:54:44   #
Pixelpixie88 Loc: Northern Minnesota
 
robertjerl wrote:
No one else has asked a very important question. BUDGET!
And a monitor or will you use your old one?
My current machine was a $2000 rebuild of an iBuyPower gamer I bought almost 10 years ago - power circuits on MB went bad. I put in a new MB, newer/bigger SSD 'C' drive, new bigger power supply, new i9 CPU, more RAM, new CPU cooler and new bigger video card plus a few other minor things.
I bought the parts and paid our local tech to install them into my full tower case and transfer some of the stuff of my old build to our special needs son's desktop - now his train simulators run much faster. I reused my full tower case, fans, card readers, storage drives, keyboard, mouse, speakers and monitor.
I got my specs here: (this is an update of the article I used last year) https://photographylife.com/the-ultimate-pc-build-for-photography-needs
Since I could afford it I went for the first build they list here.
I am dreaming of a bigger monitor (using a 27" graphic arts monitor) since more and more screen space gets taken up by ads, menus etc and I like to see things as big as possible.
No one else has asked a very important question. ... (show quote)


I don't need the monitor...have a very good one. So $$ will be going to the machine...graphics card, etc...was hoping to keep it around $1000.00. That's not going to be easy from the sound of it. Thanks for your help, also!

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Jul 23, 2020 15:58:49   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Pixelpixie88 wrote:
I need a new computer...(I did a search in here.) With technology changing so much, does anyone have any advice that is new? 16 gigs ram and 2 T. Is that adequate? Maybe something better.
Thanks...Marsha
Windows and Desktop.


Budget? Software? Camera's file size? Do you now do focus stacking, HDR, extensive layering in Photoshop, Panorama stitching - or do you see yourself doing any of these in the near future?

If you don't need a new display, you should be able to get what you need for between $1000 and $1500.

The basic spec should be 32 gb ram (2x16 gb, with two free slots to add more ram if you need it), discrete graphics card with at least 2 gb vram, a minimum of 512gb system drive (m.2 NVMe, PCIe drive preferred), and a second larger drive based on how much space your current pictures you now have x3 - SSD SATA 3 would be great, but a spinning drive is fine for this, and a current or recent generation AMD processor - if you do a lot with Lightroom, an 8 core cpu with 16 threads comes in handy. Something like that might cost around $1500.

This should help.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Adobe-Photoshop-139

https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Adobe-Lightroom-Classic-141

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Jul 23, 2020 16:12:45   #
Pixelpixie88 Loc: Northern Minnesota
 
Gene51 wrote:
Budget? Software? Camera's file size? Do you now do focus stacking, HDR, extensive layering in Photoshop, Panorama stitching - or do you see yourself doing any of these in the near future?

If you don't need a new display, you should be able to get what you need for between $1000 and $1500.

The basic spec should be 32 gb ram (2x16 gb, with two free slots to add more ram if you need it), discrete graphics card with at least 2 gb vram, a minimum of 512gb system drive (m.2 NVMe, PCIe drive preferred), and a second larger drive based on how much space your current pictures you now have x3 - SSD SATA 3 would be great, but a spinning drive is fine for this, and a current or recent generation AMD processor - if you do a lot with Lightroom, an 8 core cpu with 16 threads comes in handy. Something like that might cost around $1500.

This should help.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Adobe-Photoshop-139

https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Adobe-Lightroom-Classic-141
Budget? Software? Camera's file size? Do you now d... (show quote)

Thanks, Gene! Yes, I do a lot of LR. Great info and I appreciate it.

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