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Jul 14, 2020 20:49:05   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
DavidPhares wrote:
I currently own, and use, a Canon 5D Mk IV, and several L quality lenses. I am happy with what I produce, and I enjoy the editing of my images.

After reading all I can find on Canon’s mirrorless cameras, I am still at a loss as to why I should “upgrade” to one of the mirrorless offerings.

Any suggestions?

David in Arizona


David you said it in your opening sentence. You’re happy with what you produce and you enjoy editing your images. What more could one ask for in this wonderful hobby? Upgrade your camera when no longer satisfied with your images. But first try to upgrade your lenses. I found this made a big difference in image quality in all three of my cameras. My cameras were not upgrades but were purchased for specific uses and have a uniqueness to each other. One is 15 years old and another is 12 years old. But the lenses “work” in all three in their own way. Yes I am also happy with what I produce.

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Jul 15, 2020 16:10:27   #
Photocraig
 
I've been buying and using cameras for a very long time. I'm slow to change because i hve a streak in me that says if it is solely for my own pleasure, then any wants for equipment never rises to NEEDS. When those rare circumstances of my chosen activity demands equipment, I evaluate and choose the most cost effective product available within my Canon EOS system. If, for example, my EF-S lenses were interchangeable with Canon Full Frame, I probably would have bought a 5DIII in its day. Canon made that possible with the EF(including-s) adapter with the R line. Good on them, finally.

For me, the compelling features of the R system, and especially teh R5 and R6, for stills, since the only video I've ever taken with my camera or phone is by mistake, is the IBIS which will allow me to use non stabilized Prime lenses, since I'm old, and in addition to the IS in my 3 other lenses, I expect great results. Alone, that's worth the price of the R6. Add the mirrorless goodies of EVF, Face/eye tracking, flippy screen and fast frames per second, PLUS a silent shutter when ya NEED it and my head is turned. And with the large MPIX sensor--said to be improved DR, even the R5 with a price reduction next year--Christmas 2021, might play. The real stunning issue for the R line is the RF Glass that gets almost Universal RAVE reviews from ALL the talking heads. (Realistically at my age a 5D4 + some L lenses USED might really fill the remaining days bill.)

Stacking all this up on one side, and then bringing them together with what I've got and NEED (think of the old fashioned split image rangefinder) then I'll upgrade. BUT NOT UNTIL I can't get good images of what pleases me now. And I'm happy, and I'm ALL I need to please. If a business opportunity or a SERVICE opportunity arises that demands more, then I'll figure out how to "git 'er DUUNNNNN!"

So, it is ALL personal or business. If you NEED it to continue what you love then you NEED it. If it's a wouldn't that be nice, then put it in the Parking Space reserved for your Bentley, and keep shooting what (and it's an awesome kit) you have.
C

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Jul 15, 2020 18:46:57   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
Photocraig wrote:
I've been buying and using cameras for a very long time. I'm slow to change because i hve a streak in me that says if it is solely for my own pleasure, then any wants for equipment never rises to NEEDS. When those rare circumstances of my chosen activity demands equipment, I evaluate and choose the most cost effective product available within my Canon EOS system. If, for example, my EF-S lenses were interchangeable with Canon Full Frame, I probably would have bought a 5DIII in its day. Canon made that possible with the EF(including-s) adapter with the R line. Good on them, finally.

For me, the compelling features of the R system, and especially teh R5 and R6, for stills, since the only video I've ever taken with my camera or phone is by mistake, is the IBIS which will allow me to use non stabilized Prime lenses, since I'm old, and in addition to the IS in my 3 other lenses, I expect great results. Alone, that's worth the price of the R6. Add the mirrorless goodies of EVF, Face/eye tracking, flippy screen and fast frames per second, PLUS a silent shutter when ya NEED it and my head is turned. And with the large MPIX sensor--said to be improved DR, even the R5 with a price reduction next year--Christmas 2021, might play. The real stunning issue for the R line is the RF Glass that gets almost Universal RAVE reviews from ALL the talking heads. (Realistically at my age a 5D4 + some L lenses USED might really fill the remaining days bill.)

Stacking all this up on one side, and then bringing them together with what I've got and NEED (think of the old fashioned split image rangefinder) then I'll upgrade. BUT NOT UNTIL I can't get good images of what pleases me now. And I'm happy, and I'm ALL I need to please. If a business opportunity or a SERVICE opportunity arises that demands more, then I'll figure out how to "git 'er DUUNNNNN!"

So, it is ALL personal or business. If you NEED it to continue what you love then you NEED it. If it's a wouldn't that be nice, then put it in the Parking Space reserved for your Bentley, and keep shooting what (and it's an awesome kit) you have.
C
I've been buying and using cameras for a very long... (show quote)


Your last paragraph sums it up very well.

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Jul 15, 2020 18:48:20   #
BebuLamar
 
DavidPhares wrote:
I currently own, and use, a Canon 5D Mk IV, and several L quality lenses. I am happy with what I produce, and I enjoy the editing of my images.

After reading all I can find on Canon’s mirrorless cameras, I am still at a loss as to why I should “upgrade” to one of the mirrorless offerings.

Any suggestions?

David in Arizona


But reading thru the thread I wonder why you ask? Nobody tells you that you should or shouldn't upgrade.

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Jul 16, 2020 14:29:47   #
DavidPhares Loc: Chandler, Arizona
 
larryepage wrote:
Hi Judge. I am a model railroader in addition to being a photographer. Many years ago (between 30 and 40). we saw a huge shift in what was the top-end for model locomotives. The gold standard for probably almost 50 years had been exquisite models made from cast and sheet brass and hand assembled in various small factories in Japan, then in other locations in southeast Asia (primarily South Korea). These models could be designed and built as accurate representations of specific prototypes, using detailed castings and mostly standard soldering techniques, and could readily be built in very small lots (maybe 100 or 200 units or so). The importers, who handled research, cooperated with the factories on design, and resold to domestic hobby shops, were almost exclusively small businesses, sometimes sole propriertorships with maybe one or two employees. There was a sort of competition, but it was from a couple or three much larger companies whose products were substantially less accurate models produced in huge quantities for "average" model railroaders at much lower costs and retail prices. A typical price for a brass model was $300 or more (sometimes much more), while the plastic models were generally in the $30 range or so...some more, some a little less.

As our hobby was shrinking at that time, one of the large companies got the notion to consolidate the entire market. They eliminated the low price, low end market and developed a line of models that utilized an enhanced injection molding process to allow for improved detail and also allowed molds to be made quicker and at a slightly lower cost by sacrificing mold life. These models were made in shorter runs, with less variety than had been available in brass. The result was the pretty much forced retirement of the folks who had been providing the brass models,, which are much less available today. Oh...the price of these new models, in equivalent dollars at the time, was generally $100-125. Nowadays, similar models of this type are around $200 before optional items are added (like electronic control systems).

You can imagine what happened over time. These big companies used their resources to advertise heavily in an attempt to make everyone believe that life was "Better" somehow. Are the new models better? Not really. They are OK, but the only real benefit, aside from a slightly lower price point, is that they are optimized for what is called "command control," a way of managing model train movement that is sort of like matrix metering. I have two of them, because they happened to be models that I was interested in. Still waiting for maybe a couple of others some day in the future. New hobbyists can't really afford to enter the hobby now. Those who are left are mainly the "technogeeks." Modelling articles in magazines are all about getting wiring correct and using the command control systems for new and unexpected purposes. There is some discussion of doing accurate modeling, but the basics of economics justifying a railroad and operating techniques are mostly missing.

I tell you this story to emphasize that while there are valid cases to seek performance improvement in cameras (better low light performance, better resolution sometimes, etc.), big ballyhooed change campaigns are generally for the manufacturers' benefit, not the consumers'. You are going to have to decide what works for you. I've looked pretty intensely at mirrorless cameras and find that they do not offer me any benefit over what I have. Of course, others here have made completely different choices, and that's OK. And be skeptical of lens and camera reviews. Very few of them will acknowledge which technical changes make a difference and which just look good on paper. Let your needs (or even your wants) drive you, not the advertising, and not the reviews. Finally, I'm a little bit jealous. The Desert Botanical Garden is one of my favorite places, just not right now. Too hot.
Hi Judge. I am a model railroader in addition to ... (show quote)


Yeah, The Desert Botanical Gardens are some my favorites, too. But, like you, not in 110 degree heat! Thanks for you input! dlp

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Jul 16, 2020 14:38:13   #
DavidPhares Loc: Chandler, Arizona
 
RLSprouse wrote:
Okay, this is one of your best.


👍

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Jul 16, 2020 22:54:22   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
DavidPhares wrote:
I currently own, and use, a Canon 5D Mk IV, and several L quality lenses. I am happy with what I produce, and I enjoy the editing of my images.

After reading all I can find on Canon’s mirrorless cameras, I am still at a loss as to why I should “upgrade” to one of the mirrorless offerings.

Any suggestions?

David in Arizona


David, if I owned a 5D MK IV and a stable of L lenses, I would not be considering an "upgrade" to mirrorless. Actually I wouldn't even consider it to be an upgrade. It would be something more like just a "sidestep".

On The Other Hand, my XSi, while it took nice images, never seemed to be tack sharp. The 24-105L I got two years ago helped. But I had found that the lenses did not focus on the same plane as the autofocus indicated. Some Canon's can adjust for this, but not my XSi. I had also found that my XS710HS I got to carry to Disney, would do a lot of things the XSi would not. So I started investigating.

The 80D was getting a lot of good reviews. The R looked amazing, but was smarter than I am, and was over my budget. The 90D was more affordable and has a lot of improvements over the 80D. Almost there. Then the RP shows up. A lot of nice improvements comparable to the 90 including the price. AND it's full frame! Then Canon put it on sale.

When it arrived, I found features that that I hadn't expected. Even better.

Why did I upgrade to mirrorless? I didn't just. I upgraded shutter speed, ISO low light capability, apeture, articulated view screen, touch screen menus, and double the MP. Lens focus and electronic view finder, while also upgrades, came along with the ride. I will be able to remotely shutter with my phone, shoot HDR, reduce flicker, and more things I haven't figured out yet.

If the time comes that you are dissatisfied with what your 5D does, or there becomes a long list of improvements that you desire, then consider including the move to mirrorless. Until then, buy a new printer, or a new computer, or a.......

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Jul 16, 2020 23:58:52   #
RLSprouse Loc: Encinitas CA (near Sandy Eggo)
 
DavidPhares wrote:
I currently own, and use, a Canon 5D Mk IV, and several L quality lenses. I am happy with what I produce, and I enjoy the editing of my images.

After reading all I can find on Canon’s mirrorless cameras, I am still at a loss as to why I should “upgrade” to one of the mirrorless offerings.

Any suggestions?

David in Arizona


Hi David,

I'm a Nikon guy, but I can offer a few thoughts in the "parallel universe"...

I have a D850, which is simply an incredible DSLR, and I'm very happy with it. If I could have only one camera, this would be the one. But I did recently add a Z7 body to my kit. Here are a few things I find that I like about it.

I love the EVF. Some people hate them, but I like being able to see the effect of most settings in real time, in the viewfinder. Personal taste, that's mine.

Silent shooting. It's possible with the D850, in Live View mode, but I can make it the default behavior on the Z7.

Access to the incredible Z-mount S series lenses. These are the finest optics I've ever had the pleasure of shooting. I'm sure the new lenses for the Canon R bodies are comparable.

There are other minor pluses and minuses, but these are the things that jump out at me at the moment.

~ Russ

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Jul 17, 2020 00:58:59   #
Hip Coyote
 
I can afford a new system or lens. But I’m learning to be happy, in fact happier, with my little Oly, small lenses, etc. And trying to make nice photos. You have a spectacular camera. Be happy. Go and take great photos. Forget the GAS and I think you will find it more rewarding.

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Aug 30, 2021 18:47:24   #
DavidPhares Loc: Chandler, Arizona
 
Larry, sorry I am so late in responding to your post.

I agree completely. And yes, the Botanical Gardens are sweet, especiall a week or so after some heavy rain! ❤️

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Aug 30, 2021 18:48:45   #
DavidPhares Loc: Chandler, Arizona
 
👍

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Aug 30, 2021 18:49:53   #
DavidPhares Loc: Chandler, Arizona
 
Photocraig wrote:
I've been buying and using cameras for a very long time. I'm slow to change because i hve a streak in me that says if it is solely for my own pleasure, then any wants for equipment never rises to NEEDS. When those rare circumstances of my chosen activity demands equipment, I evaluate and choose the most cost effective product available within my Canon EOS system. If, for example, my EF-S lenses were interchangeable with Canon Full Frame, I probably would have bought a 5DIII in its day. Canon made that possible with the EF(including-s) adapter with the R line. Good on them, finally.

For me, the compelling features of the R system, and especially teh R5 and R6, for stills, since the only video I've ever taken with my camera or phone is by mistake, is the IBIS which will allow me to use non stabilized Prime lenses, since I'm old, and in addition to the IS in my 3 other lenses, I expect great results. Alone, that's worth the price of the R6. Add the mirrorless goodies of EVF, Face/eye tracking, flippy screen and fast frames per second, PLUS a silent shutter when ya NEED it and my head is turned. And with the large MPIX sensor--said to be improved DR, even the R5 with a price reduction next year--Christmas 2021, might play. The real stunning issue for the R line is the RF Glass that gets almost Universal RAVE reviews from ALL the talking heads. (Realistically at my age a 5D4 + some L lenses USED might really fill the remaining days bill.)

Stacking all this up on one side, and then bringing them together with what I've got and NEED (think of the old fashioned split image rangefinder) then I'll upgrade. BUT NOT UNTIL I can't get good images of what pleases me now. And I'm happy, and I'm ALL I need to please. If a business opportunity or a SERVICE opportunity arises that demands more, then I'll figure out how to "git 'er DUUNNNNN!"

So, it is ALL personal or business. If you NEED it to continue what you love then you NEED it. If it's a wouldn't that be nice, then put it in the Parking Space reserved for your Bentley, and keep shooting what (and it's an awesome kit) you have.
C
I've been buying and using cameras for a very long... (show quote)


Thanks. 👍

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Aug 31, 2021 09:37:35   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
DavidPhares wrote:
I currently own, and use, a Canon 5D Mk IV, and several L quality lenses. I am happy with what I produce, and I enjoy the editing of my images.

After reading all I can find on Canon’s mirrorless cameras, I am still at a loss as to why I should “upgrade” to one of the mirrorless offerings.

Any suggestions?

David in Arizona


Don't upgrade if you can't find a reason...I certainly would not try to convince you.

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