leelefaivre wrote:
I have a Canon EOS R full frame mirrorless camera. I have a 55 to 250 telephoto but would like something that would get me closer. I am looking at Canon EF 100 to 400 telephoto (expensive but might pull it off) or one of the "off brand" 600 mm versions. One of the big trade offs is aperture 4.5 to 5.6 vs something like 5 to 6.3 on the longer 600 mm. How much am I loosing to go with the smaller aperture?
I wonder if going with the closer 400 mm vs the 600 mm would really get me to where I want to go. I very much like the flexibility of the zoom and consider the solution (if I want to get closer) using some sort of doubler. I gather they now (if you pay for it) have optics and coupling routines that allow full functioning.
I guess the general question is what would anybody recommend for getting up close to wildlife?
I have a Canon EOS R full frame mirrorless camera.... (
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If you're patient, Canon will soon be answering your needs with RF lenses that will directly mount to your EOS R:
- Canon has just announced an RF 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1L IS USM... This 3 lb. lens will cost $2699 initially and is supposed to be available Oct. 1. It weighs less than, but is about the same size as the existing EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM II, which costs about $500 less, but would require an adapter to use on EOS R. Sigma and Tamron each also make 100-400mm EF-mount lenses, which are smaller and considerably less expensive... $699 and $799, respectively. They both have smaller apertures than the Canon, especially the Sigma. Neither of the third party lenses come with tripod mounting ring, but there's an $129 optional one available for the Tamron. Personally I wouldn't want a 400mm lens that can't be fitted with a tripod mounting ring, so I'd never consider the Sigma. They're both pretty good, but don't have the excellent image quality of the Canon 100-400mm II.
- Canon has also announced yesterday an RF 1.4X teleconverter, which will undoubtedly pair very well with the 100-500mm... for an effective 140-700mm f/7.1-f/10 combo.
- Another new lens coming soon is the RF 600mm f/11 IS STM lens... It's super compact and lightweight, as well as very affordable at $699. However, it has a very small max aperture with f/11... and it's nowhere near the build quality of the EF 100-400mm L, and most likely the RF 100-500mm L. The RF 600mm f/11 also uses slower STM (stepper motor) focus drive, instead of the premium, high performance USM (ultrasonic) focus drive used on the L-series lenses.
- Alongside the above lenses, Canon has also announced an RF 800mm f/11 IS STM... Like the 600mm it's very compact and lightweight for a lens of this type... And at $899 it's reasonably affordable. It also has the same drawbacks as the 600mm... a slow f/11 aperture (won't be as able to blur down backgrounds as well as lenses with larger apertures)... and slower STM focus drive. Both the RF 600mm and RF 800mm are expected to be available around the end of July.
- Yes, there are the Tamron and Sigma 150-600mm too. Of the three current models, the Tamron "G2" is mid-priced at around $1500. The Sigma 150-600mm "Contemporary" is under $1000, but probably has the lowest image quality of the three. It's variable aperture also steps down at much shorter zoomed focal lengths (it is as much as 2/3 stop slower than the Canon 100-400mm, throughout their shared focal length range). The Sigma 150-600mm "Sport" lens is a more premium build quality with better sealing for dust and weather resistance, but is also considerably bigger and heavier. It's almost 6.5 lb., where the other two are around 4.5 lb. It's also usually considerably more expensive at $2000... but is currently on sale for $1700.
It's important to note that all three of these (as well as all the 100-400mm mentioned above) will require you use a lens adapter to fit them to an EOS R. The adapter will add cost (typically at least $100), as well as length and a little weight. The Canon EF lenses are known to work quite well when adapted to R-series cameras. I don't know whether or not the Tamron or Sigma lenses lose performance when adapted. I'd look into this very carefully... . Do those lenses' autofocus work as well as they do on EF mount cameras? Do their image stabilization systems work as well? Are there any other short-comings to adapting these lenses? I really don't know. You need to research this very carefully and hopefully can find feedback base upon direct experience.
The image below was made with my Canon EF 100-400mm "II", with Canon EF 1.4X "II" (older model) teleconverter, on Canon 7D Mk II camera (20MP, APS-C "crop"... your EOS R is full frame, so would have a little less "reach", but has higher resolution with 30MP). It was shot at f/8 (wide open), ISO 1600 and hand held at 1/800 shutter speed.