Final Words: Poetically, both John Adams and Thomas Jefferson died on July 4, 1824 - 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Although they had been bitter political...

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

Poetically, both John Adams and Thomas Jefferson died on July 4, 1824 - 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Although they had been bitter political rivals, it is said that they were reconciled in later years, but even then, it is said that Adams's final words were "Thomas Jefferson survives." - unaware that Jefferson had died a few hours before.

Jimmy T Loc: Virginia

rehess wrote:

Poetically, both John Adams and Thomas Jefferson died on July 4, 1824 - 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Although they had been bitter political rivals, it is said that they were reconciled in later years, but even then, it is said that Adams's final words were "Thomas Jefferson survives." - unaware that Jefferson had died a few hours before.

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fourlocks Loc: Londonderry, NH

I read a biography on both men and although they strongly opposed each other's political position on many issues, each would vote against their own position if they felt it was best for the country to do so. Would that today's politicians would do the same...

FrankR Loc: NYC

fourlocks wrote:

I read a biography on both men and although they strongly opposed each other's political position on many issues, each would vote against their own position if they felt it was best for the country to do so. Would that today's politicians would do the same...

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Dannj

fourlocks wrote:

I read a biography on both men and although they strongly opposed each other's political position on many issues, each would vote against their own position if they felt it was best for the country to do so. Would that today's politicians would do the same...

Ain’t gonna happen😢

Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb

"forelocks" but today the are American after being a Democrat or Republican. Politics is now a profession (a life time job) not a patriotic thing to do.
"God Bless America" or maybe "God Help America".

bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada

fourlocks wrote:

I read a biography on both men and although they strongly opposed each other's political position on many issues, each would vote against their own position if they felt it was best for the country to do so. Would that today's politicians would do the same...

A moral politician!? Who would have thought such existed?

bwa

marine73 Loc: Modesto California

fourlocks wrote:

I read a biography on both men and although they strongly opposed each other's political position on many issues, each would vote against their own position if they felt it was best for the country to do so. Would that today's politicians would do the same...

No because they would be cutting their own throat

Tex-s

fourlocks wrote:

I read a biography on both men and although they strongly opposed each other's political position on many issues, each would vote against their own position if they felt it was best for the country to do so. Would that today's politicians would do the same...

Almost. Those two men whose rivalry was seen as confrontational were primarily opposed on HOW to implement policy that achieved goals on which they generally agreed. Liberty for the individual? Yes. Massive taxation and governmental presence to 'assure' that goal or forbid government to abridge the freedom? It was the method of things that divided these Founders. Today, the HOW has mostly been agreed. Tax and spend and spend and spend. Invade liberty more and more. What the modern parties don't agree upon is WHAT. One party seems devoted to dismantling capitalism, free markets, and individual liberty and responsibility while stoking people to exhibit half the mortal sins while the other party seems to want to impose moral restrictions only upon others while themselves enjoying the other half of the mortal sins.

The early American citizen prospered because the Founders disagreed on HOW but agreed to WHAT, while we all suffer because opposing parties AGREE on how. Even in the last 30 years, the battle was not on WHAT, but HOW. Read the Bill Clinton 1992 Democrat Platform. Bill's platform would be the GOP platform today, and were he on stage today, he'd be screeched off the stage for some of what he did and said politically, if not personally. That is because, primarily, but not exclusively the left, have chosen to abandon the original common ground of WHAT. Increasingly, your comment about "best for the country" cannot be defined the same way in the parties. GOP look to preserve and improve what we have, and the DEM's seem devoted to dismantling what is in favor of what they think 'should' or 'could' be, at the cost of individual liberty, responsibility, opportunity, and self-reliance.

Dannj

Tex-s wrote:

Almost. Those two men whose rivalry was seen as c... (show quote)

Just wondering why you refer to the GOP as “we” and the “DEM’s” (sic) as “they”. It seems to me that many people in the US have become concerned more with “them” (whoever the opposition is) losing than with compromise. Just my opinion, of course.

Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb

Today if you are on the other side you are dangerous. That seems to be the view from each side. May be be we need colors day. You MUST dress in RED or BLUE on that national holiday and it should be a hump day (Wednesday). Then we will all know who to stone and hate.
God Help and Bless America. Look what we have come too.

Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb

Lets partition the camera manufactures to make red and blue cameras and lenses. So we can see if he is a good photographer. How will you be able to tell? If ha has a different color camera.

Tex-s

Dannj wrote:

Just wondering why you refer to the GOP as “we” and the “DEM’s” (sic) as “they”. It seems to me that many people in the US have become concerned more with “them” (whoever the opposition is) losing than with compromise. Just my opinion, of course.

While I'm sure I'm guilty of what you accuse, in THIS post 'WE' is modern day Americans and 'THEY' referred to the citizens of the Founding days. At least I sure tried to confer that idea....

Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb

Is it "We the people"or " We and you" What ever side.

Dannj

Tex-s wrote:

While I'm sure I'm guilty of what you accuse, in THIS post 'WE' is modern day Americans and 'THEY' referred to the citizens of the Founding days. At least I sure tried to confer that idea....

Got it. Thanks👍