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Jun 30, 2020 09:07:07   #
Nancysc
 
The "thick skull-ers" have identified them selves by their follow-up posts. Hospitals don't need to pad their rolls to get paid, they have more patients requiring intensive care than they have ever had. Young people are dying from Covid19. It is world-wide, so maybe you should call it the World Virus, instead of Chinese. Spanish flu (1918) started in the US. What a bunch of idiots.

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Jun 30, 2020 09:08:13   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
rmalarz wrote:
There are always outliers.
--Bob


Not outliers, in the current surge most new cases are in the 20-44 age range.

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Jun 30, 2020 09:11:07   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
rmalarz wrote:
This seemed to overlook one disturbing aspect. Hospitals are getting money for each Covid 19 diagnosis, more money for hospitalization, more money for each procedure. It seems to make sense that diagnosis are up.

Just google are hospitals getting paid for diagnosing covid 19

Do you think that fact might skew the curve a bit?

Another disturbing aspect is your cell phone is spying on you. Yup, some time in the near past, an app was installed on your phone which can track your movement. It's blatantly called Covid 19.
--Bob
This seemed to overlook one disturbing aspect. Hos... (show quote)


My wife is a doctor at one of these hospitals in New Jersey which has had a couple of hundred deaths and many and more who were critically ill over the last three and a half months. Two members of my wife's staff caught it and were seriously ill from it. They stopped all non critical services including almost all elective surgeries and other procedures.

They spent over $2 million dollars to quickly renovate an older hospital building for covid-19 patients that was planned for demolition and will eventually be torn down once the pandemic is over. They will never be reimbursed for that money. Her hospital's general income is down significantly and most of the doctors can't provide their normal non critical services for their patients. As a result the income of most of these doctors', who are not employees of the hospital, is also down significantly and they are not getting paid by the government because of it. Many staff doctors, nurses and technicians are being underutilized during the pandemic due their specific medical specialties, and are a further drain on the hospital's budget.

And contrary to what you may believe the hospital has not yet received any of these monies from the government that you may think they are getting rich from, and when they do it will not have covered all the Covid expenses much less the loss income from all the normal services that they have not been able to provide. This concept thst some conspiracy theorists are putting forward that covid-19 is a money-making scheme for hospitals is a myth.

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Jun 30, 2020 09:18:07   #
mharvey
 
I'm not dismissing Covid-19. But how can we know WHAT to believe when there are so many lies from both medical and political sources. This virus has been turned into a political crisis for the purpose of affecting the upcoming elections AND a medical scam.
I had a heart to heart talk with my personal physician of over 25 years..a man who is highly respected for his medical expertise and plain-speaking honesty.
He just lost an 82 year olds woman with terminal lung cancer and found that the hospital had changed the cause of death to Covid-19. Three days later, a 73 year old man with a lifelong history of heart disease, died of a massive coronary thrombosis. Agsin, the hospital changed the official cause of death to Covid-19.
This promoted him to meet with hospital administrators where he discovered that ALL of the deaths of his patients for the past 3 months (except one who died in a messy car wreck) had been categorized by the hospital to Covid deaths!
The hospital can receive about $3,000 for a "natural" death...But $13,000 for a Covid-19 death!
Given this, repeated at hospitals across the country, we DON'T KNOW the true mortality rate of the virus!

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Jun 30, 2020 09:22:17   #
khumiston
 
Well said

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Jun 30, 2020 09:28:24   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I have a friend whose wife has had heart problems prior to their marriage. Recently, she collapsed, due to these problems, and was taken to the hospital. The ER folks were intensely focused on getting her heart back to working again. She passed away in the ER. Cause of death...COVID 19. That was a bullshit call. She died of heart failure.

How many more of these cases happened? When there is a monetary enticement, what do you think the diagnosis would be?
--Bob
gvarner wrote:
The OP laid it out straight. The opponents have nothing but their imaginations for support, especially the inference that hospitals report COVID because they get more money for that. Of course they get money specifically to fight the pandemic. It’s victims can push out other needed health care services when the hospitalizations reach the crisis level as they are doing in some states right now. Our privatized medical system is geared to serve a predictable number of intakes. COVID has destroyed that business model. Hospitals can’t do things like knee replacements and they sure as hell cant say that COVID caused the knee to fail so they can get more money. Now you deniers out there can have fun with my opinions and observations.
The OP laid it out straight. The opponents have no... (show quote)

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Jun 30, 2020 09:31:10   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
mharvey wrote:
I'm not dismissing Covid-19. But how can we know WHAT to believe when there are so many lies from both medical and political sources. This virus has been turned into a political crisis for the purpose of affecting the upcoming elections AND a medical scam.
I had a heart to heart talk with my personal physician of over 25 years..a man who is highly respected for his medical expertise and plain-speaking honesty.
He just lost an 82 year olds woman with terminal lung cancer and found that the hospital had changed the cause of death to Covid-19. Three days later, a 73 year old man with a lifelong history of heart disease, died of a massive coronary thrombosis. Agsin, the hospital changed the official cause of death to Covid-19.
This promoted him to meet with hospital administrators where he discovered that ALL of the deaths of his patients for the past 3 months (except one who died in a messy car wreck) had been categorized by the hospital to Covid deaths!
The hospital can receive about $3,000 for a "natural" death...But $13,000 for a Covid-19 death!
Given this, repeated at hospitals across the country, we DON'T KNOW the true mortality rate of the virus!
I'm not dismissing Covid-19. But how can we know W... (show quote)


Does your doctor have evidence that the hospital did not test for the coronavirus in these patients? If they didn’t test, then they committed fraud and will likely get caught. Incidental here say reports abound and it’s not beyond hospital administrators to cheat. After all, they’re in it to make a profit. It’s my opinion that the cheating is minimal when viewed in the broader scheme of things. Cheating is human nature.

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Jun 30, 2020 09:31:39   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Delderby wrote:
You just said "old with weak immune systems or some other severe problem and they are barely alive anyway"
I just dare not say to you what I would like to. Just remember - probably more than half our members are "old with weak immune systems" I think the title of this topic was appropriately addressed to you if no-one else.
You just said "old with weak immune systems o... (show quote)


Then stay in your basements and let us live our lives.
Why should I have to destroy my life for you?
You are NOT sacrificing anything for me.

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Jun 30, 2020 09:32:02   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
rmalarz wrote:
I have a friend whose wife has had heart problems prior to their marriage. Recently, she collapsed, due to these problems, and was taken to the hospital. The ER folks were intensely focused on getting her heart back to working again. She passed away in the ER. Cause of death...COVID 19. That was a bullshit call. She died of heart failure.

How many more of these cases happened? When there is a monetary enticement, what do you think the diagnosis would be?
--Bob



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Jun 30, 2020 09:34:01   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Not outliers, in the current surge most new cases are in the 20-44 age range.


They are NOT dying though.
Millions catch something, no death.
That is such a stupid statistic.

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Jun 30, 2020 09:38:48   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Nancysc wrote:
The "thick skull-ers" have identified them selves by their follow-up posts. Hospitals don't need to pad their rolls to get paid, they have more patients requiring intensive care than they have ever had. Young people are dying from Covid19. It is world-wide, so maybe you should call it the World Virus, instead of Chinese. Spanish flu (1918) started in the US. What a bunch of idiots.


Hospitals are losing millions because of this hoax.
They have cancelled virtually all procedures that can be cancelled.
Losing revenue and putting things like women's health especially at great risk.
Un diagnosed cancers after three months could be a death sentence.
They are like ghost towns now, hundreds of staff laid off, entire sections closed etc.
Yes, the ER might be busy but that is all and now even most ER's are busy with NON-Chinese flu matters.

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Jun 30, 2020 09:53:57   #
gsmith051 Loc: Fairfield Glade, TN
 
rmalarz wrote:
George, nowhere in my post did I even suggest that hospitals should not get paid. You missed the point.
--Bob


Thank you for correcting me. I missed your point entirely. Sorry Bob.

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Jun 30, 2020 10:01:07   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Hospitals are losing millions because of this hoax.


128,000 dead in four months so far from this hoax. The hoax is working. Trump supporters dying like flies in Western, Southern, and Mid-Western states.

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Jun 30, 2020 10:11:25   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Then stay in your basements and let us live our lives.
Why should I have to destroy my life for you?
You are NOT sacrificing anything for me.


I cannot see how I can sacrifice anything for you, and I have not asked you to make sacrifices for me. In the UK you would be what is called a taker - which also means that you are not a giver.
So - carry on doing your best to encourage others to infect the world. It would be ironic if you end up dead with a ventilator stuffed down your throat. If I were you I would not further tempt fate - it might just happen!

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Jun 30, 2020 10:17:47   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Delderby wrote:
I cannot see how I can sacrifice anything for you, and I have not asked you to make sacrifices for me. In the UK you would be what is called a taker - which also means that you are not a giver.
So - carry on doing your best to encourage others to infect the world. It would be ironic if you end up dead with a ventilator stuffed down your throat. If I were you I would not further tempt fate - it might just happen!


You are so clueless.
Not being able to go out to clubs, bars, churches, events, gyms, most stores and the few places have to stand in long stupid lines, wear a stupid smothering mask in public. Beaches closed, travel restricted, quarantines.

I will gladly take the risk and if I die it will be after cheating death 3 other times so who cares.
Once I am dead I will not care.
I will NOT be on a ventilator ever anyway so that is not an issue.
All that sacrifice above is so sick losers can selfishly make all others miserable as they are already.
Stay in your basement forever because there is ALWAYS some virus wandering around.

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