Covid-19 - for anyone who thinks this isn't serious (Page 8): I would say that for most people never being in a vehicle would be the equivalent of total isolation. I would also note...

raymondh Loc: Walker, MI

oregonfrank wrote:

All the measures to slow the spread of Covid do just that, they SLOW the spread. None work 100% of the time, but all measures reduce the odds. One can be very compliant and still contract the virus, but getting it is not an active choice. There is no way to be at zero risk of getting the virus, except by living in total isolation 24/7/365 in wild Alaska far from any road. Being in an auto accident is different — you can avoid it by never being in a vehicle. Frank

I would say that for most people never being in a vehicle would be the equivalent of total isolation.
I would also note that necessities can be ordered on line for home delivery.

Flyerace Loc: Mt Pleasant, WI

There is also the financial bonuses associated with the Covid-19 COD. The hospitals are being reimbursed at a much higher rate for Covid patients. Everyone who died in the hospitals, at the beginning, were listed as Covid death. The rate of death is much lower than the numbers originally submitted by hospitals. There are probably many people who died at home from Covid and they were not reported as such.

The "annual flu" has taken more lives each year than anything else. We haven't shut down for that. We don't require masks during flu season. Maybe we should require masks. I never want to see the entire economy shut down again. I don't believe the American people would put up with it. Many have lived paycheck to paycheck prior to the shutdown. Now they are in deeper trouble than before. Let's all wash our hands and wear our masks and observe our social distancing to cut this disease down.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

Flyerace wrote:

The "annual flu" has taken more lives each year than anything else. We haven't shut down for that. We don't require masks during flu season..

Why do people keep repeating this untruth??

In the past year, for example 131 Hoosiers died of the flu, and nearly ten times as many have died of Covid, even with our 'shutdown'.
https://www.in.gov/isdh/files/Weekly%20Influenza%20Report-Week%2020-2019-2020.pdf

Between 24K and 62K Americans died of the flu in the past year.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

Even using the biggest estimate, over twice as many have died of Covid even with the 'shutdown';
using the average value,{43K}, the flu is even less of a threat.

craigart14

ecblackiii wrote:

Statistics are "facts", but selecting th... (show quote)

I worry about it just enough to get a flu shot.

pendennis

IDguy wrote:

CDC data: “ The 1918 influenza pandemic was the mo... (show quote)

The population of the U.S. in 1918 was 103,208.000. That makes the death toll about .65%. If COVID deaths top 200,000 by year-end, the percentage will be .06%. Far less lethality.

I would disagree that a vaccine will stop the virus. The virus will penetrate about 75-80% of the population before it "runs out of gas". By the time the vaccine gets produced and distributed, COVID may well have reached maximum penetration. Any further penetration might likely be from a mutated form.

usken65

tomad wrote:

True, but in a year that pandemic only killed 12,469 Americans; Covid-19 has taken nearly 9 times that many in just 3 months.

It’s all lies. The annual death rate in the us is 2813503 this year we are only passing last August’s death count by 27. So my question is if Covid is killing everyone where is the surplus deaths? According to the cdc last year at this time we had 2.42 million deaths in the us this year we have had a total increase of 27. So apparently 99% of COVID deaths would have died without COVID.

tomad Loc: North Carolina

usken65 wrote:

It’s all lies. The annual death rate in the us is 2813503 this year we are only passing last August’s death count by 27. So my question is if Covid is killing everyone where is the surplus deaths? According to the cdc last year at this time we had 2.42 million deaths in the us this year we have had a total increase of 27. So apparently 99% of COVID deaths would have died without COVID.

You need to quote your (fake news) source for those numbers. Here is the real information:

"Question Did more all-cause deaths occur during the first months of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic in the United States compared with the same months during previous years?

Findings In this cohort study, the number of deaths due to any cause increased by approximately 122 000 from March 1 to May 30, 2020, which is 28% higher than the reported number of COVID-19 deaths.

Meaning Official tallies of deaths due to COVID-19 underestimate the full increase in deaths associated with the pandemic in many states."

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2767980

David Martin Loc: Cary, NC

usken65 wrote:

So my question is if Covid is killing everyone where is the surplus deaths?

Here:

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

JeffL wrote:

All of those states that either didn’t lockdown or opened up too soon are now experiencing major increases on the number of new cases. We’ll find ou in a couple of weeks if the protests caused a surge.

Of course covid is a very serious problem. But lockdowns is a whole nother problem. Nobody will ever know how many died as a direct cause of the lock downs. Cancer deaths, Heart attacks, Overdose, as well as suicides happened as a result of lock downs and hospital lack of treatment of non covid patients. We will never know if the cure was worse than the disease

tomad Loc: North Carolina

boberic wrote:

Of course covid is a very serious problem. But lockdowns is a whole nother problem. Nobody will ever know how many died as a direct cause of the lock downs. Cancer deaths, Heart attacks, Overdose, as well as suicides happened as a result of lock downs and hospital lack of treatment of non covid patients. We will never know if the cure was worse than the disease

The point of wearing masks and social distancing. If the great majority of people had agreed to these two practices (especially mask wearing), we could have kept most businesses open from the very beginning. People refusing to adhere to safe practices are the ones causing the close downs and the extension of closures now.