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The ProPhoto RGB Challenge
Jun 5, 2020 18:39:39   #
Doc Barry Loc: Huntsville, Alabama USA
 
The ProPhoto RGB covers the bulk of the color gamut (over 90% and essentially all of the "real-world" colors) while Adobe RGB covers about 50% and sRGB covers about 35%. ProPhoto RGB can be printed on some specialty printers, but the general issue is viewing images on a monitor displaying ProPhoto RGB. There are affordable monitors that can display sRGB and Adobe RGB. A few can display Wide Gamut RGB.

With the introduction of the 8K UHD displays, they have the ability to cover most of the ProPhoto RGB gamut. Still a bit pricy in the $2500+ range.

My question is if any of you have use an 8K UHD monitor to process images for ProPhoto RGB printing? If so, what results did you find please? The size of these 8K UHD displays starts at about 55". How did this huge size work out for your processing? Other related comments welcome too.

Thanks in advance.

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Jun 5, 2020 19:05:42   #
rfmaude41 Loc: Lancaster, Texas (DFW area)
 
Doc Barry wrote:
The ProPhoto RGB covers the bulk of the color gamut (over 90% and essentially all of the "real-world" colors) while Adobe RGB covers about 50% and sRGB covers about 35%. ProPhoto RGB can be printed on some specialty printers, but the general issue is viewing images on a monitor displaying ProPhoto RGB. There are affordable monitors that can display sRGB and Adobe RGB. A few can display Wide Gamut RGB.

With the introduction of the 8K UHD displays, they have the ability to cover most of the ProPhoto RGB gamut. Still a bit pricy in the $2500+ range.

My question is if any of you have use an 8K UHD monitor to process images for ProPhoto RGB printing? If so, what results did you find please? The size of these 8K UHD displays starts at about 55". How did this huge size work out for your processing? Other related comments welcome too.

Thanks in advance.
The ProPhoto RGB covers the bulk of the color gamu... (show quote)



Adobe RGB covers aproximately 90% + of the visible color spectrum, NOT 50%.....

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Jun 5, 2020 19:17:11   #
Doc Barry Loc: Huntsville, Alabama USA
 
rfmaude41 wrote:
Adobe RGB covers aproximately 90% + of the visible color spectrum, NOT 50%.....


Sorry, but it is just a shade over 50%. Thanks for the comment, but can you kindly address my questions?

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Jun 5, 2020 19:40:14   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
Doc Barry wrote:
ProPhoto RGB can be printed on some specialty printers,...


Nope. ID one please.

I do not have such a display so I can't help further with your question.

Joe

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Jun 5, 2020 20:46:39   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Doc Barry wrote:
Sorry, but it is just a shade over 50%. Thanks for the comment, but can you kindly address my questions?


Yep, 50%. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_RGB_color_space

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Jun 5, 2020 22:45:15   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Doc Barry wrote:
The ProPhoto RGB covers the bulk of the color gamut (over 90% and essentially all of the "real-world" colors) while Adobe RGB covers about 50% and sRGB covers about 35%. ProPhoto RGB can be printed on some specialty printers, but the general issue is viewing images on a monitor displaying ProPhoto RGB. There are affordable monitors that can display sRGB and Adobe RGB. A few can display Wide Gamut RGB.

With the introduction of the 8K UHD displays, they have the ability to cover most of the ProPhoto RGB gamut. Still a bit pricy in the $2500+ range.

My question is if any of you have use an 8K UHD monitor to process images for ProPhoto RGB printing? If so, what results did you find please? The size of these 8K UHD displays starts at about 55". How did this huge size work out for your processing? Other related comments welcome too.

Thanks in advance.
The ProPhoto RGB covers the bulk of the color gamu... (show quote)


The benefit of editing in a large color space is to preserve all colors, including those that are out of gamut on the display and/or the printer. There is a benefit to being able to flag and adjust out of gamut color be for committing to jpeg.

To my knowledge, with the right graphics card, only Photoshop - and not Lightroom - can output a 30 bit raster image for display - which is better than trying to use a 24 bit image when working with wide gamut files.

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Jun 6, 2020 12:15:49   #
Doc Barry Loc: Huntsville, Alabama USA
 
Ysarex wrote:
Nope. ID one please.

I do not have such a display so I can't help further with your question.

Joe


Thanks Joe. Since I posted the questions, I was able to communicate with Samsung technical and learned that they are not making any 8K displays yet (TVs or monitors) with the ProPhoto color gamut. Same for Dell. BenQ isn't offering 8K yet it seems.

The color gamut for both the Dell and Samsung 8K devices is the DCI-P3. The Dell also supports 100% Adobe RGB, 100% sRGB, 100% Rec709, 98% DCI-P3 and provides 1.07 billion colors (10-bits per each R, G, and B). The UP3218K costs about $4K. This color gamut is the same essentially as their 4K versions.

Some demo 8K displays having a greater gamut RGB have been made, but are not available yet it seems. This RGB gamut and ProPhoto RGB are much closer to being the same than to the aRGB or PCI-P3. I expect that the next generation of 8K displays (and likely 4K too) will use, rather than red, blue, and green LEDs, blue LEDs coated with films containing quantum dots to produce purer RGB colors thereby yielding a larger gamut that may be adequate (or not) ProPhoto RGB images.

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Jun 6, 2020 12:17:25   #
Doc Barry Loc: Huntsville, Alabama USA
 
Gene51 wrote:
The benefit of editing in a large color space is to preserve all colors, including those that are out of gamut on the display and/or the printer. There is a benefit to being able to flag and adjust out of gamut color be for committing to jpeg.

To my knowledge, with the right graphics card, only Photoshop - and not Lightroom - can output a 30 bit raster image for display - which is better than trying to use a 24 bit image when working with wide gamut files.


Thank you Gene! Good comments.

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Jun 6, 2020 16:20:01   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I'm with Gene on this. I bring all of my photos into PS in ProPhoto RGB and process them in that color space. I maintain and save the .psd file and output it in the color space required for whatever purpose I have.
--Bob
Doc Barry wrote:
The ProPhoto RGB covers the bulk of the color gamut (over 90% and essentially all of the "real-world" colors) while Adobe RGB covers about 50% and sRGB covers about 35%. ProPhoto RGB can be printed on some specialty printers, but the general issue is viewing images on a monitor displaying ProPhoto RGB. There are affordable monitors that can display sRGB and Adobe RGB. A few can display Wide Gamut RGB.

With the introduction of the 8K UHD displays, they have the ability to cover most of the ProPhoto RGB gamut. Still a bit pricy in the $2500+ range.

My question is if any of you have use an 8K UHD monitor to process images for ProPhoto RGB printing? If so, what results did you find please? The size of these 8K UHD displays starts at about 55". How did this huge size work out for your processing? Other related comments welcome too.

Thanks in advance.
The ProPhoto RGB covers the bulk of the color gamu... (show quote)

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Jun 6, 2020 18:58:34   #
Doc Barry Loc: Huntsville, Alabama USA
 
rmalarz wrote:
I'm with Gene on this. I bring all of my photos into PS in ProPhoto RGB and process them in that color space. I maintain and save the .psd file and output it in the color space required for whatever purpose I have.
--Bob


Hi Bob,

Thanks for the comment. My inquiry was about being able to view the image in the ProPhoto RGB color space while processing the RAW file. What display color space do you have please?

Doc Barry

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Jun 6, 2020 20:42:47   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I'm using a mid 2010 27" iMac. It's calibrated using a SpyderXElite tool. I hope that provides enough information.
--Bob
Doc Barry wrote:
Hi Bob,

Thanks for the comment. My inquiry was about being able to view the image in the ProPhoto RGB color space while processing the RAW file. What display color space do you have please?

Doc Barry

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Jun 7, 2020 08:17:49   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
I bought a msi monitor last week. The reason was it has more lines than any other monitor and 128 percent of the rgb spectrum. It also has an ips panel. Check them out. Also an adjustable hz up to 144hz not that we need that. It's not a new company Amd basically but new in the monitor business.

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