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May 29, 2020 15:42:23   #
DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL
 
bwana wrote:
Bear spray is far more effective!

bwa


I guess I have been lucky .... I will research bear spray

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May 29, 2020 16:07:24   #
Bill 45
 
God was on that kid side that day.

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May 29, 2020 18:14:06   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Lucky boy. Some types of bears are less hostile than others. The brown bears we have hear do not attack people - just food - and they can be chased away easily. You can't do that with a grizzly.


A Grizzly is a Brown (not referring to color of the animal) Bear. It is smaller than the Kodiaks and Coastal Brown Bears of Alaska, but it is a member of that family.

The bear in the video was probably awakened from a nap by the people and was curious about the source of the noise. If it had been predatory, it would have had no trouble catching the boy. If the people had been making noise as they approached the area where the bear was napping, the bear probably would have quietly left the area and nobody would have known of its presence.

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May 29, 2020 18:18:27   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Jerry, with due respect, it is not that some bears are less hostile. It is that circumstances make the bear hostile or not. Get between any bear, black, grizzly or Kodiak brown bear and it will become hostile. Surprise it when it is feeding on a deer or elk carcass and it will become hostile. The bears in your area are not truly brown bears but black bears that have a brown coloration. Some are black, some brown, blonde or a reddish tint.

You can tell us that your bears do not attack people but when I lived in Colorado, a woodsman shot and wounded a black bear, same bears you have. It attacked and killed him, eating some of the body before it left. Grizzly bears will definitely attack you but after cuffing you around a bit and taking numerous bites from you the grizzly will generally speaking walk off and leave you alone. Black bears traditionally will not walk off and leave you. Once you are on the ground they will continue to kill and eat you. That is why if you are charged and attacked by a grizzly bear it is recommended you lie on the ground in a, Dead, position. Once it has taken its anger out on you it will normally leave. Black bear are the complete opposite. If attacked by a black bear it is recommended you kick, bite, scratch, anything you can do to fight it off.

This information is widely published. I also get my information from my ex brother in law who is one of the top bear specialists in America.

Dennis
Jerry, with due respect, it is not that some bears... (show quote)


Exactly what I have been told by guides having many years of experience.

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May 29, 2020 19:10:35   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
TheShoe wrote:
Exactly what I have been told by guides having many years of experience.


Thanks. I appreciate the thumbs up.

Dennis

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May 29, 2020 19:49:23   #
PH CIB
 
I would never go hiking in Bear Country without a Heavy Caliber Rifle, 375 H&H or 458 Winchester Magnum or at the Very least one of the Magnum Revolvers, minimum 44 Magnum and preferably larger like a 460 or 500, as close as that Bear was to that Child I would have had sights lined up on its head and if it charged I would have killed it...Probably most Bear Encounters go well, but if it does not, You need to carry a gun....

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May 29, 2020 19:55:43   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
PH CIB wrote:
I would never go hiking in Bear Country without a Heavy Caliber Rifle, 375 H&H or 458 Winchester Magnum or at the Very least one of the Magnum Revolvers, minimum 44 Magnum and preferably larger like a 460 or 500, as close as that Bear was to that Child I would have had sights lined up on its head and if it charged I would have killed it...Probably most Bear Encounters go well, but if it does not, You need to carry a gun....

Bear spray has been proven to be more effective than a gun in bear attacks.

bwa

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May 29, 2020 20:05:47   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
PH CIB wrote:
I would never go hiking in Bear Country without a Heavy Caliber Rifle, 375 H&H or 458 Winchester Magnum or at the Very least one of the Magnum Revolvers, minimum 44 Magnum and preferably larger like a 460 or 500, as close as that Bear was to that Child I would have had sights lined up on its head and if it charged I would have killed it...Probably most Bear Encounters go well, but if it does not, You need to carry a gun....


Great choices, all. My choice has always been a 375 H&H or a 416 Rigby. I used both in Africa, the 375 as my small rifle and the 416 for buffalo. Both rifles would group 3 shots in under an inch at 100 yards and all kills were one shot with the exception of an eland which took two. Both were in the lungs but I learned to keep shooting as long as the animal was up. Nothing like seeing a huge eland do a triple somersault while running after being hit with a 375. Two of the very best calibers ever made and both early 1900's calibers. My next biggest gun was a 470 double but I did not get to take it to Africa. A shame.

For handguns my choice would be a 44 Magnum as a small choice and a heavy loaded 45 Colt or a 454 Casull.

Dennis

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May 29, 2020 22:06:13   #
PH CIB
 
bwana wrote:
Bear spray has been proven to be more effective than a gun in bear attacks.

bwa


I Commend You for Your Bravery and Knowledge, especially since You live in Bear Country in Alberta, Love Alberta and B.C...But even with a giant can of Bear Spray what if You have a very Strong Wind blowing directly towards You, and in the Video You have a Child between You and the Bear....I would only use Bear Spray if a second Person had it and tried it and it worked, if it did not work, or if I did not have a second person, I would use my Rifle,,,,,I would always be carrying a Rifle regardless....I have carried a Firearm Legally for over 50 years ever since returning from Viet Nam, 24/7 365 it is just insurance for the Urban Jungle or the Wilderness...

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May 29, 2020 22:16:28   #
PH CIB
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Great choices, all. My choice has always been a 375 H&H or a 416 Rigby. I used both in Africa, the 375 as my small rifle and the 416 for buffalo. Both rifles would group 3 shots in under an inch at 100 yards and all kills were one shot with the exception of an eland which took two. Both were in the lungs but I learned to keep shooting as long as the animal was up. Nothing like seeing a huge eland do a triple somersault while running after being hit with a 375. Two of the very best calibers ever made and both early 1900's calibers. My next biggest gun was a 470 double but I did not get to take it to Africa. A shame.

For handguns my choice would be a 44 Magnum as a small choice and a heavy loaded 45 Colt or a 454 Casull.

Dennis
Great choices, all. My choice has always been a 3... (show quote)


Great Choices....I have always wanted a Double Rifle...I have a Friend who retired from a Career for Alaska Fish and Game,,,,then He worked for an Outfitter as a Brown Bear Guide on Admiralty Island....One of his Friends an Outfitter had a Client who Wounded a Bear and the Guide went into the Brush to finish it off...The Bear Charged and the Guide made a killing shot but the Bear kept coming and the Guide had his Rifle jam for the second shot and was badly mauled before the Bear died...After Months in the Hospital he went back to Guiding for Brown Bear at first he almost bought a rifle with a Mauser Action with controlled Round Feed those Rifles almost never jam, but he thought better of it, and although a Double Rifle has only two rounds, a Double Rifle is almost jam proof and fool proof and that is what he bought to go back to Guiding for Brown Bears...Healthy Population of Brown Bears in Alaska and killing Old Male Bears saves some Cubs....

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May 30, 2020 12:04:33   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
PH CIB wrote:
Great Choices....I have always wanted a Double Rifle...I have a Friend who retired from a Career for Alaska Fish and Game,,,,then He worked for an Outfitter as a Brown Bear Guide on Admiralty Island....One of his Friends an Outfitter had a Client who Wounded a Bear and the Guide went into the Brush to finish it off...The Bear Charged and the Guide made a killing shot but the Bear kept coming and the Guide had his Rifle jam for the second shot and was badly mauled before the Bear died...After Months in the Hospital he went back to Guiding for Brown Bear at first he almost bought a rifle with a Mauser Action with controlled Round Feed those Rifles almost never jam, but he thought better of it, and although a Double Rifle has only two rounds, a Double Rifle is almost jam proof and fool proof and that is what he bought to go back to Guiding for Brown Bears...Healthy Population of Brown Bears in Alaska and killing Old Male Bears saves some Cubs....
Great Choices....I have always wanted a Double Rif... (show quote)


Glad your friend survived the bear attack.

You bring up a great point that anti hunters sometimes forget or are simply ignorant and don't know. Often we hear anti hunters saying hunters only need one shot, animals are only animals and if a person is a good and ethical hunter then one shot is all that is needed. But in Real Life there are animals such as the big bears, elephants, buffalo and so on and that includes deer as well that one shot even in the heart or lungs that would normally kill the animal just doesn't kill the animal. I have heard of one Cape buffalo that took 11 shots to put it down for good. The first shot was in the heart and should have done it. It did not.

Dennis

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