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May 21, 2020 22:13:31   #
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selmslie wrote:
Really?

There seems to be a lot of time and energy spent on minutia such as how much more to crop an image that has already been cropped by the photographer.

The question of story telling seldom comes up. When it does it often says more about the viewer that about the photographer's intent.


Accurate observation but a sad failure to enjoy the entertainment value of vapid posturing and earnest cluelessness. Play or be played. You cannot opt out of that binary choice.

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May 21, 2020 22:20:46   #
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selmslie wrote:
What possibilities?

Maybe the possibility that the photograph might need processed differently or simply re-taken because the photographer screwed it up.

That may be entertaining but, unless it's a learning experience, it may miss the point.


Nope ! The entertainment IS the point.

The rare incidental learning experience is a 3rd order harmonic at best.

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May 21, 2020 22:24:23   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
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Accurate observation but a sad failure to enjoy the entertainment value of vapid posturing and earnest cluelessness. Play or be played. You cannot opt out of that binary choice.


When all else fails, use an insult.

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May 21, 2020 22:24:23   #
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selmslie wrote:
Knowing up front that a particular topic is probably going to provide little in the way of insight and clarification saves us from wasting our time.


When comedians speak of a “tough audience” they mean you :-(

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May 21, 2020 22:30:42   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
Get over yourselves. There is no one answer. This is the most pointless thread I have seen in a long time.

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May 21, 2020 22:32:05   #
Chromodynamics6 Loc: Beverly Hills Ca.
 
aellman wrote:
Get over yourselves. There is no one answer. This is the most pointless thread I have seen in a long time.



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May 21, 2020 22:54:37   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
User ID wrote:
(snip) The rare incidental learning experience is a 3rd order harmonic at best.


...But worth suffering through a violent $#!t storm — sometimes.

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May 21, 2020 23:23:57   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
burkphoto wrote:
...But worth suffering through a violent $#!t storm — sometimes.


Forgive me for being doubtful about the worth of such suffering; plus the use of the word
"harmonic" in this context is "a giant leap for mankind" and highly suspect. I urge the
poster to check Merriam-Webster online. It's very informative.

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May 21, 2020 23:56:26   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
Toleman wrote:
My presence on the forum is for entertainment. sometimes this is provided by good photography sometimes by a great piece of digital art and other times by the hog wash either provided by a posted work or the comments on that said piece. If that qualifies me as cynical then guilty as charged, I am who I am.
You maintain something is telling a story whilst I would say it simply captures a moment that can be as short as 1000th of a second at times. That moment can often never be repeated. The cloud formation in a landscape the light falling across the subject the look in the eyes during a portrait shoot. All unique and captured in the split second the shutter was open. No hint of a story just a faithful rendering of a moment you will never see again.
My presence on the forum is for entertainment. som... (show quote)


Sometimes its the "moment" that tells the story.

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May 22, 2020 03:13:29   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Toleman wrote:
My presence on the forum is for entertainment. sometimes this is provided by good photography sometimes by a great piece of digital art and other times by the hog wash either provided by a posted work or the comments on that said piece. If that qualifies me as cynical then guilty as charged, I am who I am.
You maintain something is telling a story whilst I would say it simply captures a moment that can be as short as 1000th of a second at times. That moment can often never be repeated. The cloud formation in a landscape the light falling across the subject the look in the eyes during a portrait shoot. All unique and captured in the split second the shutter was open. No hint of a story just a faithful rendering of a moment you will never see again.
My presence on the forum is for entertainment. som... (show quote)


You're right - photos capture an instant in time. But that doesn't mean that a captured instant can't tell a story. Perhaps your definition of storytelling is a bit too narrow. When is a photo ever NOT going to tell some sort of a story? For that to be the case it would have to be completely meaningless. That situation is perhaps much rarer than you realise. Even if somebody posted a shot as an example of a meaningless photo, what they would be saying is "This is what I mean by meaningless", and that itself gives the photo meaning.

You mention a "look in the eyes during a portrait shoot" - I would say that's a good example of how photos can tell stories. A look can speak volumes, as they say. And it doesn't have to stop at people. We could include the look of loyalty and attentive obedience that a dog can convey with a mere glance (the list goes on).

I'm sure you're aware that some people derive entertainment from ridiculing others. Typically that involves them ridiculing people or things that they don't understand or relate to. Most of us would describe that as a low form of entertainment. Is that what we can expect from you or can we expect better?

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May 22, 2020 04:24:43   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
R.G. wrote:
... some people derive entertainment from ridiculing others. Typically that involves them ridiculing people or things that they don't understand or relate to. Most of us would describe that as a low form of entertainment. ...

They may understand it better than you think. It may just be that their understanding is different from yours.

The Wiki article on Alfred Stieglitz's Equivalents talks about his intent in producing that series of abstract images. They were not supposed to tell a story and were partly a reaction to having his images analyzed and interpreted by critics. This is from the article:

In 1922 Stieglitz read a commentary about his photography by Waldo Frank that suggested the strength of his imagery was in the power of the individuals he photographed. Stieglitz was outraged, believing Frank had at best ignored his many photographs of buildings and street scenes, and at worst had accused him of being a simple recorder of what appeared in front of him. He resolved immediately to begin a new series of cloud studies "to show that (the success of) my photographs (was) not due to subject matter ..."

An image does not have to have a story. Someone who feels the need to find one leaves themselves open to disagreement. If they take a disagreement with what they say as ridicule then that is on them.

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May 22, 2020 04:50:05   #
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aellman wrote:
Forgive me for being doubtful about the worth of such suffering; plus the use of the word
"harmonic" in this context is "a giant leap for mankind" and highly suspect. I urge the
poster to check Merriam-Webster online. It's very informative.


Okay I looked up Third Order Harmonic in your suggested source... acoarst there’s no entry cuz Webster’s doesn’t tend to list intact phrases.

I have no clue why you would take the term apart and look up one word out of it. I have no interest in what you found in that manner, as that would be rather uninformative at best.

You seem perplexed at what you found vs my usage. Well, thaz what comes of atomizing a term. Smithereens.

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May 22, 2020 06:56:30   #
Electric Gnome Loc: Norwich UK
 
For me I prefer an image to be about something rather than of something. Image 1 peaks my imagination, and image 2 does nothing for me personally. Both are cracking images technically. Each to their own, there is no correct answer.

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May 22, 2020 08:17:15   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
selmslie wrote:
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An image does not have to have a story. Someone who feels the need to find one leaves themselves open to disagreement. If they take a disagreement with what they say as ridicule then that is on them.


So true.
Who said that an image has to tell a story, a "professional"?
You know that everyone will come up with their own interpretation of an image.
Whether a back story exists or not...
For some images, one may exist.

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May 22, 2020 08:39:57   #
Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Does a photo need to tell a story or is a pile of random junk (albeit composed) a good enough subject?


To my mind there is a significant difference between a “story” and a “theme”. Personally? A “story”, although sometimes of major significance in an image, is not a universal sine qua non of all images. A theme, however, which is infinitely broad in interpretation, should be a requisite, perceptible component of all images.

The two presented examples?
I see the first as a thematic Approach in which the circle and or functional means of radially based mensuration are the collective theme.
In the second I perceive the story of disueitude resulting from long disuse. ...and these are strictly personal perceptions satisfying to me and requiring no substantiation by anyone else’s perceptions.

My statement is, of course, open to endless semantically based disagreements and qualifications, so... have at it!

Dave

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