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Jun 1, 2020 09:03:46   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
jackm1943 wrote:
I must be one of the unlucky few. My ophthalmologist saw some starting signs of macular degeneration after I had been on Plaquenil for several years to treat my RA. That is a known side effect of Plaquenil, and seeing an ophthalmologist while on Plaquenil was a requirement by my PC physician. So now I'm on another med which seems to work also.


Unfortunately, since we are all different in genetics, what affects one, may not affect another. Sorry about the macular degeneration. Hopefully that did not go any farther after changing medications.

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Jun 1, 2020 09:12:12   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Paul Diamond wrote:
penny (changed?)

Thanks for participating. Facts are important. Political opinions, less so. Or, qualify the political opinion with a statement that it is your personal political opinion and not part of your professional training/expertise.

My wife (and I) had been fighting MS for 28 years, rapid cycling with some symptoms that lasted for years (legally blind for almost 5 years, then recovered some vision, for example). And she was bipolar. The neurologist we were seeing for the MS prescribed Depakote Sprinkles to help with the bipolar. He kept changing and increasing the dosage until she was up from 1 pill to 100 pills a day. - She had hair falling out and many other new symptoms that were not part of her MS. She asked and even begged the doctor for some alternative to this medication. And he refused. (Having hallucinations, etc. is not part of MS.)

By the time we got her to a neurololgist at the Shepherd Spinal Center, a service that often is used by MS sufferers in the Southeast, it was already too late. He heard her medical history and reviewed her medications, rather quickly coming to a diagnosis of why she was having non-MS symptoms. He almost rushed from the room and refused to continue the meeting that day or schedule another meeting. And he would not take or return a phone call. I learned, thru perseverance, from one of his aides, that he knew the cause of my wife's decline and non-MS symptoms was caused by the Depakote. (It's possible to have normal liver values in a regular blood test while also having the liver and pancreas destroyed by the medication. I only found this exact information after my wife's death while searching deeper and deeper on the website for Depakote posted by the manufacturer. It was buried very deeply in the basement of the site, only found by continuing to search every thread of information. And the solution to a destroyed liver and pancreas were two - death or t***splants with healthy donor organs. - Why was this information hidden from the public and medical professionals?)

While I was researching this info on Depakote, I saw that the marketing team had decided to go after another possible use of Depakote to treat teenage acne. I think that is d********g, speaking as a marketing professional. I would quit my job before I did something that helped make money at the cost of the health or lives of others.

And your question about if we said that we think her neurologist was k*****g her - we did not. But the specialist at the Shepherd Center knew the law for Georgia requires a doctor to report/testify about the wrong doing by another doctor for any legal protection or compensation. He refused to communicate with us because he knew of the other Doctor's malpractice. And he didn't want to tell the t***h about "one of his own." Letting my wife continue to die was "easier." Do you want to share the cost of t***splanting a donor liver and pancreas? Plus the life spent after the surgery for different immuno-supressant medications, etc.?

Would my wife have died from the MS related auto-immune symptoms or a related infection, etc. in the future? Yes. But it would not have been then. Or with the Depakote symptoms and physical/mental injuries that she suffered and I participated in as her husband/care giver.

So, for you, I don't ask for sympathy. I had a 34 year marriage. I just ask any medical professional to apply the best of the Hippocratic oath to the assistance of those in your care. And try not to treat anyone in your care as a number.
penny (changed?) br br Thanks for participating. ... (show quote)


Terrible tragedy! Good for you for being diligent in getting an answer. I could never treat a person in my care as a number or a "case". Sadly, there are health care workers who only look at dollar signs, "cases" and what they can do for notoriety.

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Jun 1, 2020 09:16:26   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Paul Diamond wrote:
I watched Trump on his daily C***d update, live, not recorded. Not edited. Did you? It happened.

I saw the Wife of the deceased man, after she recovered and left the hospital. Her husband died after arrival at the hospital. She spoke of watching Trump on TV, promoting the use of chloroquine for C***d. She said that she and her husband heard Trump say "What do you have to lose?". They had cholorquine in their home for their fish tank. Theirs was potassium cholorquine (very dangerous to warm blooded mammals). And they took it. Her next comments about the President were not complimentary. But you can guess what you would say if your spouse just died because he believed the President of the United States.

So, what didn't happen? T***h to t***h. Come back with some t***h. (Don't include edited tape or third party commentaries.)
I watched Trump on his daily C***d update, live, n... (show quote)


The only fault lies with the couple who didn't get medication from their physician. Really, MOST people know that if a chemical is used to clean a fish tank, that it is not consumable. I'm sure there were warnings on the label of that chemical. Did the couple read the label. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY comes in all forms or fashions. The president probably should have know that stupid people would misinterpret his comments, but not everyone thinks on the same level, obviously.

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Jun 1, 2020 09:20:44   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
Penny MG wrote:
Well stated! I agree. I guess some people also forget how great the economy was before the v***s was unleashed. I actually see democrats of all races, creed and color crossing over to the Trump side due to Trump's success and seeing that the liberals are trying to ruin the country by wanting to raise taxes up to 70% (AOC's idea), support i*****l a***ns and sanctuary cities, and demeaning the sanctity of life by pushing infanticide and late term a******ns. Yet the left feels that the right sided people are crazy.
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Penny, I think you are a good person. I've read enough of your posts to get a feeling for who you are, how you think.

But, the economy under Trump has come down to a "haves" and "have nots". If you are a professional, etc. - one of the 'haves' - the economy under Trump has been great. You might even have gotten a tax break, while most of the cuts went to the very wealthy and large corporations that didn't need it. If you were working several jobs to pay the rent and food, loss of one or more of those jobs, not seeing your paycheck increase much during your lifetime, makes you feel concerned for the future of you and your family.

Under C****-**, it's gotten terrible in ways no one could have foreseen. 40 million out of work. Most of these jobs are not coming back, or not coming back quickly. Others are 'protected' and still have good paying jobs and life goes on. In my online business, I sell mostly to younger buyers. Their incomes have taken a heavy 'hit'. And my business has taken a heavy 'hit' also. I feel their pain. - I don't think you do, or are not sensitive enough to it. I won't suggest or recommend, I will plead. Please try to see all 300 million Americans as 'Americans', regardless of income, native language, skin tone, religion, education, etc. We are all in this 'boat' together.

'Politics' mucks it up. When people go to believe what they are told because it is the tribal thing to do instead of thinking for themselves, that is inherently wrong. Right or left. I'm not the s***e of the Right or Left. I believe in the t***h, the facts and making my own decisions based upon them (sort of the scientific method).

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Jun 1, 2020 10:00:49   #
Paul Diamond Loc: Atlanta, GA, USA
 
Penny MG wrote:
The only fault lies with the couple who didn't get medication from their physician. Really, MOST people know that if a chemical is used to clean a fish tank, that it is not consumable. I'm sure there were warnings on the label of that chemical. Did the couple read the label. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY comes in all forms or fashions. The president probably should have know that stupid people would misinterpret his comments, but not everyone thinks on the same level, obviously.


You are correct. These people didn't or couldn't think about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Desperation? Poverty? Early dementia, delusion? - Our prior Presidents (and other leaders) listened to advisors if they couldn't listen to the still silent voice inside their head (conscience) and avoided saying something from a position of power that some might believe as factual. And our President does not take Personal Responsibility for anything.

Sorry to see that you haven't posted more pictures since 2013. What have we and you missed?

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