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May 19, 2020 16:53:18   #
GEngel-usmc Loc: Spencerport NY - I miss Lakeland, FL
 
Trix, agree, but Jerry’s 2.5” MacBook drive is an internal drive, which would need an external power source to be able to feel any centrifugal rotation of the drive in your hand. Reading on, I now believe he said he heard some spinning noise, just no click, click of the data read/write armature. Always interesting! Still dead though.
‘DriveDx’ software for Mac is what I use for daily auto interrogation of my iMacs drives. Sends me an email if suspected problems.

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May 19, 2020 17:51:49   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
GeneS wrote:
My last one like that, it was stuck in park mode.
They can be opened and unstuck.
Google it


But if you do, unless you have access to a clean room and the appropriate skill set, copy everything you want off the drive (if you can) ASAP and toss it. Personally, I would never open a drive, but a good hard slap with the palm of your hand on the flat surface of the drive is an acceptable alternative if the head is stuck in the debris of the outer tracks or the platter isn’t spinning. Another last ditch method is to put the drive in a sealed ziplock and place it in the freezer for awhile, then let it return to a normal temperature and try it. I’m not endorsing this at all because of the possibility of condensation on the platter, but if you’ve tried all the normal methods and want to try one last thing to recover the data (or pay a service north of 1K$) before tossing the drive, then you can try it, but I would try all the previously suggested diagnostics first.

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May 20, 2020 05:33:38   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I played around with this drive again this morning, hoping the computer might find it. It's a 500GB Toshiba from a MacBook Pro, used externally in a small case. Neither a Mac nor a Windows computer will find this drive. I've tried Disk Management, different USB ports, different cables - with no luck. The light on the case turns on, so I know it's connected and turning on. It worked fine before I removed it from the laptop. I could buy a new one of these for $27, so it's not a major problem, but it is annoying. I installed a Samsung SSD in the MBP.
If you have some weird way to find a disk, I'd be glad to hear it.
I played around with this drive again this morning... (show quote)


Some Mac products use drives that need an adapter to use elseware.
If your case is a USB3, plugging into a USB2 port might not have the power to run it.
Try: "Control panel > All Control Panel Items > Administrative Tools > Computer Management > Storage > Disk Management. If it's plugged in right and working, this should show it. Sometimes you need to do this first, anyway.

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May 21, 2020 08:34:08   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
TriX wrote:
You can still use fdisk a number of other DOS commands, even in Windows 10. Just right click on the start button in the lower left and choose “power shell” which will open a command line window.

Jerry, if you go into disk manager in management tools, can you see the drive? And do you want to recover data from the drive or just want to format and use it going forward?


"Windows cannot find FDisk. Make sure you typed it correctly."

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May 21, 2020 08:34:59   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Harry0 wrote:
Try: "Control panel > All Control Panel Items > Administrative Tools > Computer Management > Storage > Disk Management. If it's plugged in right and working, this should show it. Sometimes you need to do this first, anyway.


Nope! Doesn't see it.

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May 21, 2020 11:21:35   #
GEngel-usmc Loc: Spencerport NY - I miss Lakeland, FL
 
For Windows users replying to Jerry:
Macs use a different disk format than Windows, so your Windows experience isn’t working for Jerry here.
Macs format either APFS (Mac OS 13.0 or later); APFS Encrypted; APFS Case-sensitive; APFS Case-sensitive, Encrypted; Mac OS Extended (using Mac OS 10.12 or earlier. Then, as above, case sensitive and/or encryption or not.
Lastly, a Mac or partition thereof, can be partitioned and formatted for either ms-dos (32 GB or less) or ExFat (over 32
GB)
In conclusion, a Mac and it’s format utility software can recognize Apple and Windows formatted drives; Windows OS and it’s fdisk, ckdisk stuff doesn’t work. That’s Windows stuff. Apple will let a User get into the OS Terminal Mode, but why? Their software just works. Playing with any OS internal software structure can be deadly and expensive. Just sayin’ - been there for customers many times. Different OS’s folks...

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May 21, 2020 11:50:22   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
GEngel-usmc wrote:
For Windows users replying to Jerry:
Macs use a different disk format than Windows, so your Windows experience isn’t working for Jerry here.
Macs format either APFS (Mac OS 13.0 or later); APFS Encrypted; APFS Case-sensitive; APFS Case-sensitive, Encrypted; Mac OS Extended (using Mac OS 10.12 or earlier. Then, as above, case sensitive and/or encryption or not.
Lastly, a Mac or partition thereof, can be partitioned and formatted for either ms-dos (32 GB or less) or ExFat (over 32
GB)
In conclusion, a Mac and it’s format utility software can recognize Apple and Windows formatted drives; Windows OS and it’s fdisk, ckdisk stuff doesn’t work. That’s Windows stuff. Apple will let a User get into the OS Terminal Mode, but why? Their software just works. Playing with any OS internal software structure can be deadly and expensive. Just sayin’ - been there for customers many times. Different OS’s folks...
For Windows users replying to Jerry: br Macs use a... (show quote)


First, MS-DOS is an operating system. I think you meant FAT (32 GB or less).

Windows native format is NTFS (not FAT or ex-FAT). MacOS can read NTFS partitions, but natively can't write to them (disk operations)

Although not native to Windows, there is a software solution that allows Windows to read and write to APFS partitions. It was developed for users/networks that have mixed Windows and macOS workstations.


"IF" the external drive was formatted via a MAC with either FAT or ex-FAT, A Windows operating system would be able to detect AND read it, therefore all disk utilities from a Windows machine would work.
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Command-Line (OS terminal) on pretty much every modern operating system is far more powerful than GUI based tools and applications. The reason "playing" with command-line is dangerous (specifically Linux and probably MAC as well), is that if you are a superuser or root, the system assumes all input is intentional and there are very few, if any in most instances of a sanity check (e.g. "Are you sure you want to delete that").

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May 21, 2020 13:19:33   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
johngault007 wrote:
First, MS-DOS is an operating system. I think you meant FAT (32 GB or less).

Windows native format is NTFS (not FAT or ex-FAT). MacOS can read NTFS partitions, but natively can't write to them (disk operations)

Although not native to Windows, there is a software solution that allows Windows to read and write to APFS partitions. It was developed for users/networks that have mixed Windows and macOS workstations.


"IF" the external drive was formatted via a MAC with either FAT or ex-FAT, A Windows operating system would be able to detect AND read it, therefore all disk utilities from a Windows machine would work.
--
Command-Line (OS terminal) on pretty much every modern operating system is far more powerful than GUI based tools and applications. The reason "playing" with command-line is dangerous (specifically Linux and probably MAC as well), is that if you are a superuser or root, the system assumes all input is intentional and there are very few, if any in most instances of a sanity check (e.g. "Are you sure you want to delete that").
First, MS-DOS is an operating system. I think you... (show quote)


Exactly. Regardless of what file system the drive is formatted with, a drive is a drive. If you plug an APFS or HFS+ formatted drive into a Windows machine, as long as the HW drive interface is correct, the Windows machine will see it in storage manager. Depending on the FS, it may show as unformatted or unknown format (or it may be able to read but not write the drive), but it will be visible IF the drive and the interface is good.

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