Canon Mirrorless offerings: I am somewhat interested in a Canon Mirrorless system, but I am a bit concerned about their lens offerings. It appears from the information that I have been...

Bison Bud

I am somewhat interested in a Canon Mirrorless system, but I am a bit concerned about their lens offerings. It appears from the information that I have been able to read that the full frame bodies use the RF series lenses and the ASP-C bodies use the EF-M series lenses (please correct me if I'm wrong here). While there are adapters to mount the EF & EFS lenses on their mirrorless bodies (which is important to me), there is apparently no compatibility between the EF-M and the RF lenses, adapter or otherwise. I find this concerning, because I would prefer to stay with a crop sensor body to be able to use lenses I already own.

All in all, Canon's recent focus appears to be on the full frame models and I have my doubts if there will ever be much more development for the EF-M series of lenses, which is rather lacking in my opinion. I also think that their newer ASP-C models are moving more toward deluxe Point & Shoot models rather than for serious photography. Case in point is the M6 II, which does have some impressive specs, but lacks the built-in Electronic Viewfinder needed to make it a serious option, at least for me. They have also discounted the M5 considerably, which gives me the impression of a sell off prior to discontinuation and this model appears to be the top of the line in crop sensor mirrorless bodies if one wants a built in EV. All in all, a confusing marketing direction in my eyes.

Anyway, I would be interested in others viewpoint about Canon's direction with their Mirrorless lens and/or body offerings, prior to my jumping in with both feet. As it stands, I'm thinking that the EF-M series is in trouble and don't wish to buy into a dying system. Maybe, I should just save my money until I can afford an RP system or better and unfortunately that might be quite awhile on a fixed income. However, if I can't use my current EF-S lenses on a full frame sensor model, there's no real reason to stick with Canon anyway (at least as far as mirrorless is concerned). Seems like they've may have shot themselves in the foot on this one, at least for me. Good luck and good shooting to all.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Bison Bud wrote:

I am somewhat interested in a Canon Mirrorless system, but I am a bit concerned about their lens offerings. It appears from the information that I have been able to read that the full frame bodies use the RF series lenses and the ASP-C bodies use the EF-M series lenses (please correct me if I'm wrong here). While there are adapters to mount the EF & EFS lenses on their mirrorless bodies (which is important to me), there is apparently no compatibility between the EF-M and the RF lenses, adapter or otherwise. I find this concerning, because I would prefer to stay with a crop sensor body to be able to use lenses I already own.

All in all, Canon's recent focus appears to be on the full frame models and I have my doubts if there will ever be much more development for the EF-M series of lenses, which is rather lacking in my opinion. I also think that their newer ASP-C models are moving more toward deluxe Point & Shoot models rather than for serious photography. Case in point is the M6 II, which does have some impressive specs, but lacks the built-in Electronic Viewfinder needed to make it a serious option, at least for me. They have also discounted the M5 considerably, which gives me the impression of a sell off prior to discontinuation and this model appears to be the top of the line in crop sensor mirrorless bodies if one wants a built in EV. All in all, a confusing marketing direction in my eyes.

Anyway, I would be interested in others viewpoint about Canon's direction with their Mirrorless lens and/or body offerings, prior to my jumping in with both feet. As it stands, I'm thinking that the EF-M series is in trouble and don't wish to buy into a dying system. Maybe, I should just save my money until I can afford an RP system or better and unfortunately that might be quite awhile on a fixed income. However, if I can't use my current EF-S lenses on a full frame sensor model, there's no real reason to stick with Canon anyway (at least as far as mirrorless is concerned). Seems like they've may have shot themselves in the foot on this one, at least for me. Good luck and good shooting to all.

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You are right as of the present.
But the R cameras all take EF/EFs lenses ever made with 100% compatibility.
The camera automatically adjusts for the EFs lenses.
So get the RP body only and use ALL your current Canon lenses with no problems at all including the EFs.
Another bonus is if you find some old FD/FL etc. lenses they also will mount with an adapter and work wonderfully on the RP camera as well.
It is an incredibly versatile mount the RF mount and all the future is pointed that way.
And who knows, perhaps Canon might make a RF mount APSC in the future but that so far does not appear to be in the cards.

Zooman 1

I have the R and the M50 and some dedicated lenses for each, but also have adaptors for each and use several EF lenses on both bodies. If you want to stay with crop bodies get the M50 with the adaptor and fire away!

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

The reason the RF lenses cannot be adapted to the EOS-M is the flange distance. The EF-M uses 18mm while the EOS-R using 20mm. The legacy EF/EF-S mount uses 44mm. So, the adapters allow for mounting the EF/EF-S lenses by 'adding space' between the mirrorless body (sensor) and the SLR/DSLR lenses. But, there's no way to bring the RF lens 2mm closer to the sensor for use on the EOS-M models.

As Architect noted, Canon-branded adapters exist to enable the use of the EF/EF-S lenses onto either of these Canon mirrorless bodies, retaining full operation of auto focus and auto exposure and the correct lens EXIF into the digital files. Third-party adapters exist for FD/FL manual focus lenses. Although the lenses remain manual focus, the in-body stabilization of the mirrorless bodies increase the usefulness of these lenses as well as the 10x zoom assist in the EVF for extremely accurate manual focusing. There's convoluted 'step down metering' on the mirrorless bodies. Just set the aperture on the manual lens and let the camera meter the light hitting the sensor. Use AUTO ISO and you just have to pick a shutterspeed for the composition and shoot away.

speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho

Bison Bud wrote:

I am somewhat interested in a Canon Mirrorless system, but I am a bit concerned about their lens offerings. It appears from the information that I have been able to read that the full frame bodies use the RF series lenses and the ASP-C bodies use the EF-M series lenses (please correct me if I'm wrong here). While there are adapters to mount the EF & EFS lenses on their mirrorless bodies (which is important to me), there is apparently no compatibility between the EF-M and the RF lenses, adapter or otherwise. I find this concerning, because I would prefer to stay with a crop sensor body to be able to use lenses I already own.

All in all, Canon's recent focus appears to be on the full frame models and I have my doubts if there will ever be much more development for the EF-M series of lenses, which is rather lacking in my opinion. I also think that their newer ASP-C models are moving more toward deluxe Point & Shoot models rather than for serious photography. Case in point is the M6 II, which does have some impressive specs, but lacks the built-in Electronic Viewfinder needed to make it a serious option, at least for me. They have also discounted the M5 considerably, which gives me the impression of a sell off prior to discontinuation and this model appears to be the top of the line in crop sensor mirrorless bodies if one wants a built in EV. All in all, a confusing marketing direction in my eyes.

Anyway, I would be interested in others viewpoint about Canon's direction with their Mirrorless lens and/or body offerings, prior to my jumping in with both feet. As it stands, I'm thinking that the EF-M series is in trouble and don't wish to buy into a dying system. Maybe, I should just save my money until I can afford an RP system or better and unfortunately that might be quite awhile on a fixed income. However, if I can't use my current EF-S lenses on a full frame sensor model, there's no real reason to stick with Canon anyway (at least as far as mirrorless is concerned). Seems like they've may have shot themselves in the foot on this one, at least for me. Good luck and good shooting to all.

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Canon just released two new EF-M lenses recently ( When the R was intoduced, so the M-line is not totally forgotten)!

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Bison Bud wrote:

I am somewhat interested in a Canon Mirrorless system, but I am a bit concerned about their lens offerings. It appears from the information that I have been able to read that the full frame bodies use the RF series lenses and the ASP-C bodies use the EF-M series lenses (please correct me if I'm wrong here). While there are adapters to mount the EF & EFS lenses on their mirrorless bodies (which is important to me), there is apparently no compatibility between the EF-M and the RF lenses, adapter or otherwise. I find this concerning, because I would prefer to stay with a crop sensor body to be able to use lenses I already own.

All in all, Canon's recent focus appears to be on the full frame models and I have my doubts if there will ever be much more development for the EF-M series of lenses, which is rather lacking in my opinion. I also think that their newer ASP-C models are moving more toward deluxe Point & Shoot models rather than for serious photography. Case in point is the M6 II, which does have some impressive specs, but lacks the built-in Electronic Viewfinder needed to make it a serious option, at least for me. They have also discounted the M5 considerably, which gives me the impression of a sell off prior to discontinuation and this model appears to be the top of the line in crop sensor mirrorless bodies if one wants a built in EV. All in all, a confusing marketing direction in my eyes.

Anyway, I would be interested in others viewpoint about Canon's direction with their Mirrorless lens and/or body offerings, prior to my jumping in with both feet. As it stands, I'm thinking that the EF-M series is in trouble and don't wish to buy into a dying system. Maybe, I should just save my money until I can afford an RP system or better and unfortunately that might be quite awhile on a fixed income. However, if I can't use my current EF-S lenses on a full frame sensor model, there's no real reason to stick with Canon anyway (at least as far as mirrorless is concerned). Seems like they've may have shot themselves in the foot on this one, at least for me. Good luck and good shooting to all.

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There are reports of new EF-M and EF-R lenses coming out and of an R series APS-C body by the end of the year or early nest year(???). But the FF R bodies will all use EF-S lenses and automatically adjust for them. And one feature they have that I would like is the f/11 AF.
Since I have both FF and APS-C bodies I buy FF lenses. I have gotten EF-S lenses for my wife and daughter and I bought one for my 7DII, then my daughter fell in love with it and I gave it to her for her birthday. So all my personal lenses are FF and either Canon L series or third party equivalents of L's.

deanfl Loc: Georgia

Bison Bud wrote:

I am somewhat interested in a Canon Mirrorless system, but I am a bit concerned about their lens offerings. It appears from the information that I have been able to read that the full frame bodies use the RF series lenses and the ASP-C bodies use the EF-M series lenses (please correct me if I'm wrong here). While there are adapters to mount the EF & EFS lenses on their mirrorless bodies (which is important to me), there is apparently no compatibility between the EF-M and the RF lenses, adapter or otherwise. I find this concerning, because I would prefer to stay with a crop sensor body to be able to use lenses I already own.

All in all, Canon's recent focus appears to be on the full frame models and I have my doubts if there will ever be much more development for the EF-M series of lenses, which is rather lacking in my opinion. I also think that their newer ASP-C models are moving more toward deluxe Point & Shoot models rather than for serious photography. Case in point is the M6 II, which does have some impressive specs, but lacks the built-in Electronic Viewfinder needed to make it a serious option, at least for me. They have also discounted the M5 considerably, which gives me the impression of a sell off prior to discontinuation and this model appears to be the top of the line in crop sensor mirrorless bodies if one wants a built in EV. All in all, a confusing marketing direction in my eyes.

Anyway, I would be interested in others viewpoint about Canon's direction with their Mirrorless lens and/or body offerings, prior to my jumping in with both feet. As it stands, I'm thinking that the EF-M series is in trouble and don't wish to buy into a dying system. Maybe, I should just save my money until I can afford an RP system or better and unfortunately that might be quite awhile on a fixed income. However, if I can't use my current EF-S lenses on a full frame sensor model, there's no real reason to stick with Canon anyway (at least as far as mirrorless is concerned). Seems like they've may have shot themselves in the foot on this one, at least for me. Good luck and good shooting to all.

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You may already know this, but Sigma released three 1.4 primes, 16mm, 30mm, and 56mm, for the EOS M system. I have considered getting an M50 for travel and just started watching videos about these 3 lenses.

User ID

CHG_Canon wrote:

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......... Third-party adapters exist for FD/FL manual focus lenses. Although the lenses remain manual focus, the in-body stabilization of the mirrorless bodies increase the usefulness of these lenses ............

In-body stabilization ? In Canon ? That might actually lead me to buy one !

warzone

I have the M50 and I am really happy with it. I started with a T5i and have 6 EF lenses. All work IMHO really well at least for my purposes. I was contemplating purchasing the 70-100, but the size of it, especially on the M50, has made me rethink that purchase.

sergiohm

I wouldn’t buy a Canon APS-C from Canon because the lens selection is meager, they treat it as a toy not pro level, better invest on a Canon RP.
The leaders in APS-C are Fuji and Sony.

Zooman 1

I have not noticed that Canon has a meagre lens selection. With the adaptors you have many lenses to select for R or M. I have from 10-18mm up to the Sigma 150-600C, and have used them all with either the R or M.

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

Zooman 1 wrote:

I have not noticed that Canon has a meagre lens selection. With the adaptors you have many lenses to select for R or M. I have from 10-18mm up to the Sigma 150-600C, and have used them all with either the R or M.

I know huh! I think Canon has the largest lens selection in the world.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Bison Bud wrote:

I am somewhat interested in a Canon Mirrorless system, but I am a bit concerned about their lens offerings. It appears from the information that I have been able to read that the full frame bodies use the RF series lenses and the ASP-C bodies use the EF-M series lenses (please correct me if I'm wrong here). While there are adapters to mount the EF & EFS lenses on their mirrorless bodies (which is important to me), there is apparently no compatibility between the EF-M and the RF lenses, adapter or otherwise. I find this concerning, because I would prefer to stay with a crop sensor body to be able to use lenses I already own.

All in all, Canon's recent focus appears to be on the full frame models and I have my doubts if there will ever be much more development for the EF-M series of lenses, which is rather lacking in my opinion. I also think that their newer ASP-C models are moving more toward deluxe Point & Shoot models rather than for serious photography. Case in point is the M6 II, which does have some impressive specs, but lacks the built-in Electronic Viewfinder needed to make it a serious option, at least for me. They have also discounted the M5 considerably, which gives me the impression of a sell off prior to discontinuation and this model appears to be the top of the line in crop sensor mirrorless bodies if one wants a built in EV. All in all, a confusing marketing direction in my eyes.

Anyway, I would be interested in others viewpoint about Canon's direction with their Mirrorless lens and/or body offerings, prior to my jumping in with both feet. As it stands, I'm thinking that the EF-M series is in trouble and don't wish to buy into a dying system. Maybe, I should just save my money until I can afford an RP system or better and unfortunately that might be quite awhile on a fixed income. However, if I can't use my current EF-S lenses on a full frame sensor model, there's no real reason to stick with Canon anyway (at least as far as mirrorless is concerned). Seems like they've may have shot themselves in the foot on this one, at least for me. Good luck and good shooting to all.

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Canon took far too long to develop serious mirrorless gear. The have never given the M series what they could have. Their full frame mirrorless gear is much better — especially AF performance — but its heavy lenses are a deterrent for me.

You would be wise to look at Fujifilm (APS-C) Olympus (Micro 4/3), Panasonic (Micro 4/3 and Full Frame), and Sony (APS-C and Full Frame).

There is no perfect camera system... just the right one for you.

dick ranez

Latest "M" rumors suggest a pro model by the end of the year. Now to find an X lens to M camera adapter - or maybe the new XT4 with Canon adapter.

pep9454

https://www.canonrumors.com/the-canon-eos-r6-has-shown-up-for-certification/
https://www.canonrumors.com/the-canon-eos-r5-likely-wont-be-announced-next-week/
https://www.canonrumors.com/5-unreleased-rf-lenses-show-up-again-for-certification/
https://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-r6-announcement-moved-to-july-cr2/