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May 3, 2020 11:20:20   #
drobvit Loc: Southern NV
 
robertjerl wrote:
Why don't you try it first?

Give it a rest, I listened to the tape and read the transcript and that isn't what he said at all.

In the realm of a v*****e, some things they never manage to develop a v*****e for many different reasons. One of the main ones being that the bacteria or v***s in question mutates too fast and too often for any v*****e to be effective for long.
Some years the cocktail of flu v*****es is under 20% effective because they produced v*****e aimed at different strains and other strains were the ones that hit.
In the case of the C****-** v***s it is apparently one of those that mutates quickly and a lot. One Chinese university says they have ID'd over 30 varieties so far and they are working with samples from Asia. Then you throw in Europe, the Americas etc. This one looks to maybe be one of the ones we will never have a reliable v*****e for. But if we are lucky it will do what the "Spanish Flu" did and mutate to a milder disease - that particular v***s is still around in various forms - CDC says it is basically the N1H1 v***s.
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đź‘Ť Excellent assessment! Anyone sitting around and waiting for a reliable v*****e will run out of days first.

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May 3, 2020 11:26:27   #
CWGordon
 
Stan: I agree w/your comments. A President has “the Bully Pulpit.” Accompanying that is the obligation to be careful with what you say, to be responsible. People will take what you say quite literally. To try to talk around something does not hide ones’ intent. Many people took him very seriously, despite a hundred years of knowledge and labelling to never ingest or use such products internally. Worse, there are groups and “s**mmers” who have been pushing such usage. They have been sending their documents to the President repeatedly and were bragging that they were close to getting him to come out and support their theory. Just a couple days later he did. He is not an intellectually curious person and jumps all over the place with uninformed opinions.
If people don’t believe that they should watch the real news stations. Of course, any station other than Fox, they believe are liars.

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May 3, 2020 11:34:36   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Gasman57 wrote:
My post was deleted by admin. This is what I said.
Fact 1: C****-** started in W***n China.
Fact 2: Politically correct morons are among us.

Should that have been deleted by admin? I've seen worse posted here.


I got warned for using the word, "mor_n" which is hard to avoid when answering L*****ts on this forum.

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May 3, 2020 11:43:16   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
CWGordon wrote:
Stan: I agree w/your comments. A President has “the Bully Pulpit.” Accompanying that is the obligation to be careful with what you say, to be responsible. People will take what you say quite literally. To try to talk around something does not hide ones’ intent. Many people took him very seriously, despite a hundred years of knowledge and labelling to never ingest or use such products internally. Worse, there are groups and “s**mmers” who have been pushing such usage. They have been sending their documents to the President repeatedly and were bragging that they were close to getting him to come out and support their theory. Just a couple days later he did. He is not an intellectually curious person and jumps all over the place with uninformed opinions.
If people don’t believe that they should watch the real news stations. Of course, any station other than Fox, they believe are liars.
Stan: I agree w/your comments. A President has “t... (show quote)


Perhaps you brilliant guys who think you know a lot about science missed this. Two doctors reported yesterday that they were studying the ability of human lungs when stimulated to naturally produce a coating of "superoxides" on its surface which is a powerful chemical that k**ls pathogens. Superoxides also occur in Bleach and Peroxide. How is that for a disinfectant inside the body? How did Trump know this? Genius.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12796054

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May 3, 2020 11:56:12   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
donrosshill wrote:
Thanks Bob for that new info. It is not just the USA pharmacy companies that are so based on the allmight dollar. Most of the drugs we buy are not even made here, they are made in other countries because of the labor cost to sales price of the drug. PROFIT is the reason. and Greed is the result.
Don


A great a deal of research that leads to the development of new drugs takes place in US, Germany, Japan and UK. Research is done both in Academia and in Companies. These countries lead because these they have the best scientists. India and China manufacture a great deal of the raw materials and the drug product because they have the cheapest labor. In China s***e labor is sometimes used. The pharmaceutical industry is an exceedingly risky there are many failed projects. Most companies are not greedy but they are seeking profit. This is their duty to their share holders as it is for any company. Without profits there would be no new drugs. For political (global) reasons the Americans are the ones who pay the majority of the costs for drug development. Other countries in the developed world need to contribute more. The undeveloped world frequently receives important drugs for free or nearly so.

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May 3, 2020 11:56:41   #
tommystrat Loc: Bigfork, Montana
 
It took just 3 posts to get to a political comment. Might be a new record?

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May 3, 2020 11:57:24   #
CWGordon
 
We all need to consider “cooling it” a bit in this very d******e and partisan time. I have eschewed using such words as personally offensive and not my goal to do so. I have, from time to time, referred to remarks made by others than the contributing member, in a manner that may be almost as offensive. I try not to, but maybe I need to try harder. I think you and I are probably not on the same side very often, but no, I don’t think your word should have resulted in a warning. How-ever, there is always the word or insult that invites a worse response. A “slippery slope” that quite often results in increased tension, divide, and animosity. Is this really necessary to convey our message? Probably not, I think and believe. Too often, one reads an insulting contribution and fires off an emotional retort. Guess what that invites? More of insulting language response with an escalating atmosphere of anger. I think if people had to say these things to each others face, there would be less inflammatory remarks made. There will always be those who look to insult or hurt others with whom they disagree. So, not all would use restraint.
It seems to me that we all ought to consider whether our remarks are insulting or just hurtful. One can make an innocuous remark that might cause someone who thinks differently to feel hurt. I do not know how to stop that on an open forum. However, using “fighting words” and terminology that we know can be offensive, really has no place here. I have been over-the-line, at times, but am really working towards being more thoughtful before I fire off a message. If we all tried, I think we could still get our message across w/o increasing party and ideology dislike for one and other. I do not generally h**e, but read much of that here. I hope people will think about what they mean and what they actually accomplish and pull back on the reins as much as they can. I wish you good health and prosperity during the rest of this P******c.

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May 3, 2020 12:00:21   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
CWGordon wrote:
We all need to consider “cooling it” a bit in this very d******e and partisan time. I have eschewed using such words as personally offensive and not my goal to do so. I have, from time to time, referred to remarks made by others than the contributing member, in a manner that may be almost as offensive. I try not to, but maybe I need to try harder. I think you and I are probably not on the same side very often, but no, I don’t think your word should have resulted in a warning. How-ever, there is always the word or insult that invites a worse response. A “slippery slope” that quite often results in increased tension, divide, and animosity. Is this really necessary to convey our message? Probably not, I think and believe. Too often, one reads an insulting contribution and fires off an emotional retort. Guess what that invites? More of insulting language response with an escalating atmosphere of anger. I think if people had to say these things to each others face, there would be less inflammatory remarks made. There will always be those who look to insult or hurt others with whom they disagree. So, not all would use restraint.
It seems to me that we all ought to consider whether our remarks are insulting or just hurtful. One can make an innocuous remark that might cause someone who thinks differently to feel hurt. I do not know how to stop that on an open forum. However, using “fighting words” and terminology that we know can be offensive, really has no place here. I have been over-the-line, at times, but am really working towards being more thoughtful before I fire off a message. If we all tried, I think we could still get our message across w/o increasing party and ideology dislike for one and other. I do not generally h**e, but read much of that here. I hope people will think about what they mean and what they actually accomplish and pull back on the reins as much as they can. I wish you good health and prosperity during the rest of this P******c.
We all need to consider “cooling it” a bit in this... (show quote)


Yeh. Cool it after the Trump h**ers are shown to be mor_ns again.

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May 3, 2020 12:04:10   #
CWGordon
 
FotoArtist: Do you really believe this is what was being referred to by the President? I am not intending to begin an argument. I am attempting to learn what those who generally disagree with me have in the way of thought process when they reach conclusions that differ from ones I reach. I hope you will take my question as a legitimate one merely designed to help me understand different viewpoints and perspectives. Thank you

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May 3, 2020 12:20:04   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
I don't like the inappropriate post about clorox.
That said the President has made many strange stories up about this v***s
the programs to help and possible drugs we can use right now. He had information
presented to him last year and if we had knowledgable professionals in thier fields
like the White House P******c Team and CDC wasn't cut down some of these
resources might have helped. A hired government expert reported this past week
that medicals resources were stressed and still needing more help
She was fired by the end of the week.

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May 3, 2020 12:24:01   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
CWGordon wrote:
Fetzler:
So, what exactly is it you’re trying to say? What risks are you suggesting one should take? I need a little more regarding specifics you are setting forth b4 I can evaluate your statements. I am not judging them as right or wrong, but would like more info b4 I can determine what feelings I might have regarding them.


You are free to decide what risks that you are willing to accept. When you are driving to the store you may be k**led in accident. When you fly in airplane, it may crash. One of your options is to simply hide under the blankets in your room for the rest of your life. You can even choose to commit suicide and end it all.

Keeping in mind that there are 7.8 billion people in the world , there are 17 million people die each year from infectious diseases and there 60 million that die of other causes, you need to assess your risks in these terms.

Except for the state of NY, more people have died from the flu. You have apparently been willing accept the risk of dying from the flu, cancer and other things. My mother was willing to accept the risk that I might die from polio, measles, and other things or I would not have been born. A full life is full of risks. Think of the risk people took when they came to the new world. Many had richer lives for having done so. Life is NOT safe.

It is likely that the havoc caused caused by politicians (global) will cause more death than C***D.

Waiting to be safe = Never. (or maybe you will be safe when Godot arrives)

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May 3, 2020 12:28:48   #
CWGordon
 
Fotoartist: I read your brief response above to one of the comments made by myself or someone you disagree with politically. I noticed how your first few words set the tone for your remarks. Stating “...you brilliant...” people is not generally going to be interpreted by others as anything other than hostile and insulting. Is this really what you intended? Do you see why your remark would be interpreted that way? If this is what you intend do you think people will take you and your remarks as meaningful? Do you think they might feel your contributions are just annoying? Do you care if your viewpoints are lost in the confusion and emotion? I don’t know whether you care, but would invite a thoughtful response.

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May 3, 2020 12:42:47   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
rmalarz wrote:
Israeli scientists seem to have found a cure and are close to a preventative v*****e. I'm sure the problem here is the U.S.'s favorite pharmas won't be able to cash in on this cure, or the potential v*****e.
--Bob


So true.đź‘Ť

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May 3, 2020 12:43:49   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
repleo wrote:
So go ahead and try wh**ever you think he said. Don't forget the internal UV light - try swallowing a sun lamp.


Go k**l some babies.

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May 3, 2020 12:45:35   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
StanMac wrote:
It’s really kind of fascinating how people can listen to the same speech and come away with such different impressions of what was heard. I definitely heard Trumps suggestion about using disinfectants to fight the v***s by injection of disinfectants inside the body, which could certainly be interpreted as using a syringe to inject something like clorox.

Trumps free wheeling and stream of consciousness manner of speaking does not serve him well when he is trying to appear like he is smart and well informed about issues.

Stan
It’s really kind of fascinating how people can lis... (show quote)


You did not hear this, this is what you wanted people to believe, f**e news. I heard what he said.

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