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May 1, 2020 09:17:57   #
BebuLamar
 
kenArchi wrote:
Isn't f4 or f5.6 is where the lens is at it's sharpest?


When I need the depth of field I would use the smallest stop without worrying about diffraction.

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May 1, 2020 09:24:09   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
If you wait until every condition and parameter is perfect,
you'll never get a picture.

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May 1, 2020 09:30:31   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
kenArchi wrote:
Isn't f4 or f5.6 is where the lens is at it's sharpest?


Some good lenses actually are best a full aperture.

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May 1, 2020 09:35:43   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Why not f/32 or f/45?
--Bob
kenArchi wrote:
Isn't f4 or f5.6 is where the lens is at it's sharpest?

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May 1, 2020 09:38:47   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
rmalarz wrote:
Why not f/32 or f/45?
--Bob


"It's not the best!"



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May 1, 2020 10:13:53   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
pendennis wrote:
There's a movie titled "f/11 and Be There", about Burk Uzzle, the youngest photographer ever hired by Life Magazine.

However, the term was originally "f/8 and be there", and it long precedes the movie. The old press cameras frequently had 135-150mm lenses which had a max aperture at around f/4-f/5.6. Two-to-three stops down was f/8, the sweet spot of these lenses. It was an optimal combination for 4x5 sheet film, and the large "press flash bulbs". It was popularized with Weegee, the famed news photographer from the 30's to the 50's. He was famous for his gruesome crime scene photos, as well as being a paparazzo.
There's a movie titled "f/11 and Be There&quo... (show quote)


Don't know the movie you mention but I once read an article titled "f/16 and Be There L-o-n-g-e-r"

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May 1, 2020 10:25:17   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
kenArchi wrote:
Isn't f4 or f5.6 is where the lens is at it's sharpest?


It depends on what you are photographing, your vision for the final image, the conditions in which are shooting, the limitations of your camera and your technical abilities.

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May 1, 2020 10:32:55   #
BebuLamar
 
rmalarz wrote:
Why not f/32 or f/45?
--Bob


Your camera has f/45 but mine doesn't.

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May 1, 2020 10:44:29   #
Rick from NY Loc: Sarasota FL
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
"f/8 and be there" assumes you couldn't afford better equipment.


No, Weegie said it to point out that f8 is the sweet spot for depth of field and image quality allowing him to simply point his big Speed Graphic without worrying about focus and minimizing metering decisions by using his vast experience with sunny 16 rule. Remember he was shooting with “manual everything” gear and wasn’t shooting artsy shots - he was shooting tabloid news photos.

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May 1, 2020 11:04:31   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Here we go again with Diffraction Overreaction. Diffraction may have been an issue in film days but that is a bygone era.

Everyone has access to post processing where the Dehaze and Clarity adjustments can completely ameliorate diffraction. F 16 is my favorite aperture for the reason that it balances sharpness with depth of field and in tandem with higher ISOs can take your image capturing to a higher level. That is, images other photographers miss because they haven't updated their thinking since film daze!

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May 1, 2020 11:10:38   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
TriX wrote:
Gene is correct (as usual) - it’s entirely dependent on the lens. I run a acutance vs aperture curves on all my lenses, and when you see those results, the effects of diffraction are very apparent. Here are a couple of curves for different lenses to illustrate - every one shows substantial diffraction loss beyond f11, and f8 is generally better. F16 will cost you on average 10% of the acutance you paid for, but if you need the DOF or can’t focus stack, then you may have to accept the degradation.
Gene is correct (as usual) - it’s entirely depende... (show quote)


Start your ordinates at zero and you will see the drop off isn’t so dramatic. You might try overlaying DOF.

Noted photographer Bryan Peterson advocated f22 for most landscape images.

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May 1, 2020 11:12:00   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Your camera has f/45 but mine doesn't.


Max fstop is determined by the lens.

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May 1, 2020 11:13:25   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
kenArchi wrote:
Isn't f4 or f5.6 is where the lens is at it's sharpest?


I took a quick look at diffraction and its effects on sharpness. https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-641034-5.html#11121069
The results showed that between f/5.6 and f/16 there was not much difference. Beyond f/16 the sharpness started to fall off (increased edge width in the graph below). This was done quickly and I plan to redo it with more data so I can put error bars on the points. When I get a round tooit.

This is a measurement using one camera (D800e, 36MPx) and one lens (105 f/2.8 Micro). Results may vary, but this particular lens appears to be sharpest between f/5.6 and f/16. Variations may be statistical and if I get to extend the study in my copious free time I may be able to refine the conclusion.


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May 1, 2020 11:20:06   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I took a quick look at diffraction and its effects on sharpness. https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-641034-5.html#11121069
The results showed that between f/5.6 and f/16 there was not much difference. Beyond f/16 the sharpness started to fall off (increased edge width in the graph below). This was done quickly and I plan to redo it with more data so I can put error bars on the points. When I get a round tooit.

This is a measurement using one camera (D800e, 36MPx) and one lens (105 f/2.8 Micro). Results may vary, but this particular lens appears to be sharpest between f/5.6 and f/16. Variations may be statistical and if I get to extend the study in my copious free time I may be able to refine the conclusion.
I took a quick look at diffraction and its effects... (show quote)


Also underscores what I was saying about Diffraction Overreaction above.

Some of the very good photographers on this forum are stuck in the minutiae of photography from days gone by. Wake up. It's the 21st century.

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May 1, 2020 11:21:16   #
BebuLamar
 
IDguy wrote:
Max fstop is determined by the lens.


Some of my cameras have non interchangeable lenses and I can't buy any lenses with f/45 for any of my cameras. But I do know Bob can because he has the right type of cameras for that.

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