boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

The problem with the stats regarding Clovid 19 deaths, is that testing for the v***s is rarely done.on the dead Therefore the proof of the clovid 19 fatalities is not reliable. As the number of deaths was attributed to Clovid 19 as late as the end of march, the test kits were not available in sufficient numbers. So the deaths were assumed to be as a result of the v***s. It just might be the the v***s is not as deadly as has been recorded, and that some of those fatalities was the "regular" flu. Whilde this is just speculation, it just might be true, we will never know

travelwp Loc: New Jersey

Excellent point.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

Also it is on record that the WHO has instructed doctors to list deaths as CV related

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

So, Trump was right on January 30, 2020, when he assured us that the v***s was under control; and we have been hoodwinked into thinking that the v***s has k**led more Americans than died in the Vietnam war.
The USA just keeps on winning with Trump.

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

It is not the V***s that k**ls it is pneumonia that results when the lungs react to the v***s, it is our body's fault, not the v***s ... So we can attribute this to pneumonia. If the body survives the v***s, then bacterial pneumonia can take over. That is the reason I got the new Pneumonia 21 shot.

I have lead an entirely virtuous life and so god sees fit to keep me around longer until I sin so Jesus will not have died in vain.

Tex-s

Far more damning to the 'sky is falling' narrative is the random sampling in LA county. As of 10 days ago, or so, LA county found a random sample of asymptomatic people found 4.1 % with either an active c****a v***s infection or antibodies showing a previous infection. Extrapolated for the 10 million in the county, that would indicate 410 000 infections. At that time, the deaths in LA county had not crossed 800. 800 / 410 000 is a death rate of 0.2 % and for people under age 45 the death toll was only a tiny percent. There is evidence to suggest tens of millions of Americans have already been infected, not just '1 million' seen in the news, which is the denominator in any 'death' statistic....... but how many reports on this study have been seen on MSM?

FrumCA

This is a good point and one that seems to be more and more prevalent as the medical profession learns more about the v***s.

FrumCA

Isn't it the media giving us the numbers and those are the numbers Trump refers to? Seems like no one can agree on what the real numerator and denominator are.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

You are right. We sit in our homes, waiting to hear some t***h—which we could no longer recognize if we tripped over it.

mwalsh Loc: Houston

One would think the death count numbers should be at least fairly accurate. But both over and under reporting occurs. The numbers are just estimates. Most of us seem to accept that the total case count significantly understates the actual number infected. This is likely impacted mostly by limitations on testing availability, but other actors as well such as asymptomatic people who don't get tested, and people who get a little sick but don't seek medical help.

NYTimes just published an article stating that seven hard hit states have experienced a 50% increase in total deaths (using CDC data) during the p******c compared to same time rame in past years. They suggested this possibly indicates C****a is causing significantly more deaths than is being reported in the numbers. It was an interesting read, but its just speculation.

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

Where do you get your news, besides making it up? The facts are that on Jan. 31, one day after the Jan. 30 you cite, Trump slapped the first travel ban in the world on China because of the threat of a p******c. That's leadership. Read it when the accurate history of this is written.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

L*****ts are science deniers.

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

Trump's personal factual timeline including dates and quotes in which he is on record for minimizing the severity of the v***s; and glaring evidence that he had his head up his unconcerned posterior. A true disservice to the American people who deserved the t***h, not candy-coated optimism :

Read it in memory of the 58.000 dead Americans.

"April 2018 - President Donald Trump chooses John Bolton to lead the National Security Council. A month later, Bolton nixed the p******c preparedness office as part of an effort to streamline the agency.
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May 2018 - Trump’s biodefense preparedness adviser Luciana Borio, warned that a flu p******c was the country’s No. 1 health security threat and the U.S. was not prepared. (Borio left the Trump administration in 2019. Other high-level global health experts headed for the exits even earlier, after the White House dismantled the National Security Council’s global health security office.)
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Dec 31st - Associated Press becomes one of the first English Language news agencies to report that China is investigating an “outbreak of respiratory illness in the city of W***n.”
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Jan 1-6—Florida vacation.
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J** 6th - CDC warns Americans to take precautions if traveling to China.
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Jan 8th - CDC issues an alert saying it is closely monitoring the disease.
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Jan 9th - Trump campaign rally
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Jan 13—Trump and First Lady Melania attend National Championship game in New Orleans.
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Jan 14th - Trump campaign rally
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Jan 18th - Trump golfs
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Jan 19th - Trump golfs
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Jan 20th - First case of c****a v***s in the US, Washington State.
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Jan 22nd – Trump: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
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Jan 28th - Trump campaign rally
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Jan 29th - White House trade advisor Peter Navarro warned Trump and predicted in a memo that a C****av***s P******c could cost the U.S. trillions without a travel ban on China. The clear dominant strategy is an immediate travel ban on China, noting the v***s could cost as many as a half million American lives.
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Jan 30th - Trump campaign rally
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Jan 31st - Trump announces China travel ban effective Feb 2.
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Feb 1st - Trump golfs while on vacation in Florida with First Lady Melania.
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Feb 2nd – Trump: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
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Feb 10th - Trump campaign rally
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Feb 15h - Trump golfs during weekend trip to Mar-a Lago and attends fund raiser.
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Feb 16—Trump attends Daytona 500 and is the first sitting
president to be appointed Grand Marshall of the race.
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Feb 19th - Trump campaign rally
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Feb 20th - Trump campaign rally
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Feb 21st - Trump campaign rally
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Feb 23rd— White House advisor Peter Navarro warned of the need to acquire vast quantities of personal equipment for medical staff as they faced the v***s. Navarro warned the v***s could infect as manay as 100 million American with a loss of life as many as 1 to 2 million souls.
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Feb 24th – Trump: “The C****av***s is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
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Feb 25h – Trump: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling C****av***s.”
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Feb 25h – Trump: “I think it's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a v*****e.”
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Feb 26th – Trump: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
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Feb 26th – Trump: “We're going very substantially down, not up.” Also "This is a flu. This is like a flu"; "Now, you treat this like a flu"; "It's a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for. And we'll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner."
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February 27 - Trump: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
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Feb 28th – Trump: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
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Feb 28th - Trump campaign rally
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Feb 28th - Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new c****av***s outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new h**x." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.
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March 2nd – Trump: “You take a solid flu v*****e, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact on c****a?”
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March 2nd – Trump: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”
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March 4: Trump: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”
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March 5th – Trump: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”
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March 5th – Trump: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”
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March 6th – Trump: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
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March 6th – Trump: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”
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March 6th – Trump: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”
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March 6th – Trump: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”
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March 7th - Trump golfs
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March 8th - Trump golfs (Since Trump has taken office on January 20, 2017, he has reportedly been on the grounds of his golf courses or played golf elsewhere 264 times since becoming President, and that's as of March 8, 2020).
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March 8th –Trump: We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on C****aV***s. We moved VERY early to close borders to certain areas, which was a Godsend. V.P. is doing a great job. The F**e News Media is doing everything possible to make us look bad. Sad!
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March 9th – Trump: “This blindsided the world.”
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March 13th – Trump declared state of emergency.
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March 17th – Trump: “This is a p******c,” Trump told reporters. “I felt it was a p******c long before it was called a p******c.”
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sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri

I find it quite interesting that Los Angeles is so concerned about their C****-** number of deaths that there is very little to do to prevent yet they do not report nor come up with a solution for the number of drug overdoses and the number of related deaths in their city.

I suspect that there is no political momentum or Federal Money to be gained by the death of illegal drug users.