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Apr 13, 2020 23:30:41   #
Rolk Loc: South Central PA
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Schools can begin immediately because healthy children are not a high risk group?
I am not going to explain the stupidity of that.


Thank God someone else saw the stupidity as well!

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Apr 14, 2020 00:38:41   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Rolk wrote:
Thank God someone else saw the stupidity as well!

People over 75 with underlying health conditions, as well as those in younger groupe with those underlying conditions are the people dying from covid 19. Thye deaths for those who do not fall under those catagories have essentially the same death rate as the death rate from other natural causes. So there is no reason for the country to be on "lockdown" people can go back to work go to school etc. If the shutdown and the closing of businesses will lead to more people dying of drug overdose and of suicide . Both of these wlll be the result of the danage to the economy if we dont get back to work soon. Bad economies result in higher death rates than do good economies. Bury your head in the sand if you want. The numbers don't lie. If you are undern75 and healthy, you might get sick but you won't die.

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Apr 14, 2020 00:57:18   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Bill_de wrote:
As of yesterday in Delaware:

815 age 18-49
463 age 50-64
309 age over 65 Us old folks in Delaware must be smarter than the young'uns.

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You are talking about auto deaths. I assume. But injuries are not part of those stats. I wonder what the injury rates for those groups are

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Apr 14, 2020 01:25:58   #
Rolk Loc: South Central PA
 
boberic wrote:
People over 75 with underlying health conditions, as well as those in younger groupe with those underlying conditions are the people dying from covid 19. Thye deaths for those who do not fall under those catagories have essentially the same death rate as the death rate from other natural causes. So there is no reason for the country to be on "lockdown" people can go back to work go to school etc. If the shutdown and the closing of businesses will lead to more people dying of drug overdose and of suicide . Both of these wlll be the result of the danage to the economy if we dont get back to work soon. Bad economies result in higher death rates than do good economies. Bury your head in the sand if you want. The numbers don't lie. If you are undern75 and healthy, you might get sick but you won't die.
People over 75 with underlying health conditions, ... (show quote)


Spoken like someone that doesn't give a rat's ass about older people or people with heart disease, breathing issues, etc., getting sick and dying because someone went back to work and wound up catching the virus, but never showing any signs of it, passes it on to everyone he comes into contact with.

Until massive testing is done and COVID-19 is understood, it would be lunacy to end social distancing. You talk about the only people dying are people that are old or have underlying condition, and yet it's people like you that can carry the disease, undetected, and continue to pass it on...use your head.

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Apr 14, 2020 07:15:20   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
boberic wrote:
You are talking about auto deaths. I assume. But injuries are not part of those stats. I wonder what the injury rates for those groups are


I'm talking about those suffering from corona virus.

Yesterday we had 17 new cases.

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Apr 14, 2020 07:21:14   #
cochese
 
boberic wrote:
First a few facts, regarding risks. THose undr the age of 70, are at lower risk. The co-morbidities that increase risk are. Vascular disease, Lung Disease, and diabetes. Therefore not having any of those problems further rdeuces risk. As a group if you consider all those reductions of risks, the likelyhood of dying from the virus is something like .02% So, getting back to work need not all at once. Parts of thyeworking public can return to work immediatly. Anothyer part a delay, and the rest after the last delay. In other words , it need not be all at once. Think of it as a light bulb. On all at once or like 3 way bulb. One more thing to consider. Since healthy children are not in any of those high risk groups school can begin immediatly. The death rate from the panic as a result of increased opioid overdose and from suicide in depressives is on the increase as a result of the panic. So we may be entering that time where the cure is worse than the disease..
First a few facts, regarding risks. THose undr th... (show quote)


this is the thought process that will kill thousands, young people are less susceptible? Tell that to the young doctors and nurses that are dying on the front lines. School can start? What about children bringing an infection back to a home where an individual that IS high risk? Your logic does not bear out. Think again about others instead of you 401k.

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Apr 14, 2020 07:50:32   #
jerseymike
 
Bill_de wrote:
As of yesterday in Delaware:

815 age 18-49
463 age 50-64
309 age over 65 Us old folks in Delaware must be smarter than the young'uns.

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They would be a hell of a lot smarter than those college educated Dallas Cowboy stars who held a party with about 30 people last week. Whoa...whoa. Come to think of it they attended college they are not college educated. They did not pass any SAT to be admitted. They can run, catch and throw a ball.

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Apr 14, 2020 07:57:33   #
Jack47 Loc: Ontario
 
Bill_de wrote:
As of yesterday in Delaware:

815 age 18-49
463 age 50-64
309 age over 65 Us old folks in Delaware must be smarter than the young'uns.

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How many people in each age group in Delaware? Until you know that all you have are useless numbers.

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Apr 14, 2020 08:00:27   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Jack47 wrote:
How many people in each age group in Delaware? Until you know that all you have are useless numbers.


Not for those of us who like in Kent County.

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Apr 14, 2020 08:03:58   #
aphelps Loc: Central Ohio
 
PaulBrit wrote:
Exactly! Here in Southern Oregon one of the biggest mistakes I see very time we go out is following cars much too close. The minimum distance guide is one car length for every 10 mph that one is traveling. And that's a minimum based on good focus and attention.


It really should be more than that. It is not a linear relationship. To stop a car the brakes must absorb the kinetic energy of the vehicle. Unfortunately, the kinetic energy increases as the SQUARE of speed. So a car going 60 has 4 times the energy of the same car going 30. So three car lengths at 30 mph becomes 12 car lengths at 60. If you attempt to put 12 car lengths between your car and the one ahead of you the space will be rapidly filled with idiots who are not aware of this. Keeps the body shops in business.

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Apr 14, 2020 08:21:17   #
PaulBrit Loc: Merlin, Southern Oregon
 
aphelps wrote:
It really should be more than that. It is not a linear relationship. To stop a car the brakes must absorb the kinetic energy of the vehicle. Unfortunately, the kinetic energy increases as the SQUARE of speed. So a car going 60 has 4 times the energy of the same car going 30. So three car lengths at 30 mph becomes 12 car lengths at 60. If you attempt to put 12 car lengths between your car and the one ahead of you the space will be rapidly filled with idiots who are not aware of this. Keeps the body shops in business.
It really should be more than that. It is not a l... (show quote)


You are quite right, of course. But this old tip is a very simple one plus it doesn’t take into account the improvement in braking technology. It’s a start however.

To ask again my earlier question, is there an equivalent to the U.K. Institute of Advanced Motorists in the USA? I can only find a Safe Driving Alliance.

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Apr 14, 2020 08:25:05   #
PaulBrit Loc: Merlin, Southern Oregon
 
PaulBrit wrote:
You are quite right, of course. But this old tip is a very simple one plus it doesn’t take into account the improvement in braking technology. It’s a start however.

To ask again my earlier question, is there an equivalent to the U.K. Institute of Advanced Motorists in the USA? I can only find a Safe Driving Alliance.


I meant to write Safe Roads Alliance.

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Apr 14, 2020 08:52:30   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
boberic wrote:
First a few facts, regarding risks. THose undr the age of 70, are at lower risk. The co-morbidities that increase risk are. Vascular disease, Lung Disease, and diabetes. Therefore not having any of those problems further rdeuces risk. As a group if you consider all those reductions of risks, the likelyhood of dying from the virus is something like .02% So, getting back to work need not all at once. Parts of thyeworking public can return to work immediatly. Anothyer part a delay, and the rest after the last delay. In other words , it need not be all at once. Think of it as a light bulb. On all at once or like 3 way bulb. One more thing to consider. Since healthy children are not in any of those high risk groups school can begin immediatly. The death rate from the panic as a result of increased opioid overdose and from suicide in depressives is on the increase as a result of the panic. So we may be entering that time where the cure is worse than the disease..
First a few facts, regarding risks. THose undr th... (show quote)


And I'm SURE that you will be the first to volunteer.

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Apr 14, 2020 09:07:21   #
GeorgeFenwick
 
Want to understand the risks associated with Covid-19? It’s easy: listen to trained doctors or epidemiologists and stop listening to politicians who have their careers at stake.

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Apr 14, 2020 09:17:43   #
OlinBost Loc: Marietta, Ga.
 
PaulBrit wrote:
And that is why in my old country many years ago I sat for the Institute of Advanced Motorists exam ( see https://www.iamroadsmart.com/ ).

I have now been a member for 54 years and, touch wood, many times, have not had an accident in those years.

Safe driving is no accident!


I totaled a nice 70 Chevy by avoiding hitting someone broadside that pulled out in front of me and stalled his car.

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