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Mar 31, 2020 10:09:56   #
doublebogey7 Loc: Cleveland,Ohio
 
Years ago I bought a slide conversion unit that only gave me “meh” results. I want to try again for my many
slides. Any suggestions? Thx

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Mar 31, 2020 10:14:11   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
If the scanner/software has an "enlarge" function, try it and see if there is any difference in quality.
Scan as dense as you can (highest dpi). It may make large files, but if you print larger later, they'll look better.

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Mar 31, 2020 10:17:25   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
The two popular standards are an Epson V600 or using your camera with a macro lens and light source. You can make a slide holder if you use a camera and lens. Nikon makes one to go with a Nikon macro lens.

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Mar 31, 2020 10:26:20   #
doublebogey7 Loc: Cleveland,Ohio
 
Thx for the tip. The old unit I had was pre windows 7 and wouldn’t work on windows 10. I have a scanner/ printer but never thought to use it. I’ll give it a try.

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Mar 31, 2020 10:31:47   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
doublebogey7 wrote:
Thx for the tip. The old unit I had was pre windows 7 and wouldn’t work on windows 10. I have a scanner/ printer but never thought to use it. I’ll give it a try.

Transparencies have to be back-lit to be able to scan them. A scanner that does not support that will not scan transparencies correctly. My primary scanners do not provide any back lighting.

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Mar 31, 2020 10:32:07   #
doublebogey7 Loc: Cleveland,Ohio
 
Thx, the Epson 600 was back ordered on Amazon with a vague guess as to when it would be available. I’ll check out Nikon, have you ever used the smaller versions that have a Holder for 3 slides at a time and plug into the USB. That the type I tried before, it was less than 100 dollars but this was back before windows 7 or earlier.

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Mar 31, 2020 10:44:35   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
There is this:
https://www.amazon.com/Magnasonic-Resolution-Converts-Negatives-Impressive/dp/B0185Z8HME
Or:
https://www.amazon.com/KODAK-Mobile-Film-Scanner-Built/dp/B07MTKNTPK

Or the Epson V600, which has film holders for 35mm film and slides as well as for 6x6 film.

Stan

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Mar 31, 2020 10:51:43   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
doublebogey7 wrote:
Years ago I bought a slide conversion unit that only gave me “meh” results. I want to try again for my many
slides. Any suggestions? Thx


If you have a lot of slides, you can rent a high speed slide scanner from EZ Photo scan. Up to 900 slides per hour at 3000 dpi.

https://services.ezphotoscan.com/home/

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Mar 31, 2020 10:55:32   #
doublebogey7 Loc: Cleveland,Ohio
 
I didn’t know such a rental service existed, thx

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Mar 31, 2020 10:55:45   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
doublebogey7 wrote:
Years ago I bought a slide conversion unit that only gave me “meh” results. I want to try again for my many
slides. Any suggestions? Thx


Great topic, where I had much the same experience of not being so happy with the initial results. See if any of my experiences will help on your next round of scanning.

Background: equipment - Epson V600

I scanned about 1200 35mm negatives covering roughly 1984 to 2005. It was mostly just a mass-scanning operation and I did next to nothing to any of the resulting JPEGs until a few weeks ago when I started working on images from the late 80s college years as my university approached an NCAA bid.

The Good

Refer to the parameters below and whether any are helpful to your operation. My scanning settings were based on analysis of the pixel size of the EOS XTi I was shooting at the time. I scanned to JPEGs at 3888x2592 for a file I just grabbed to check the details, a 10MP resolution. The pixel resolution is the key item. The example file I grabbed also stored as 6.7MB.

I imported the images into Lightroom where I can add keywords and work on the JPEGs with modern & powerful digital editing tools to the same level of detail as an image that would have come from a circa 2006 DSLR.

The Bad

The single most annoying issue in the scanned files is the funky sharpening / image correction that is applied to images. As mentioned above, it's been 8-years between the mass-scan and now editing the results. I must have made an initial evaluation of the scanned files and wasn't very happy and deferred the problem. Although I made notes of my scanning settings, I don't have a specific memory of why I didn't edit the images.

I believe the 'funky' corrections is a result of using EPSON's Digital ICE that also made the scan 4-minutes per negative. With this ICE technology turned off, the scans averaged about 1-minute per negative and I was using the 4- to 6-negative scanning guide for 35mm negatives.

Another complaint is the JPEG files receive date-stamps from the scanning date. I've used two approaches to addressing the dates. In LR I can update the file's shooting date to an approximate date of the original image. It's not important to me to know the exact date, but I do want them to sort within the catalog to something representative of the actual shooting date rather than the 2012 (or 2020) scanning date. I also have a commercial tool 'EXIF Date Changer' that lets me batch-change the JPEG files in a more sophisticated manner than within LR.

The Process

I'm not sure that I was using Lightroom back in 2012. Today, editing these scanned JPEGs in LR is quick process with a number of automations performed via LR Develop presets. I used the 'color restoration' = low and use LR to correct the color saturation and WB, much the same as I'd edit DSLR images.

For dust, use a Giotto Rocket Air and microfiber cloths to clean the negatives as best as possible before scanning. Also, pay close attention to the scanning guide and the alignment marks on the negatives so you get them facing the correct direction. Upside down is easy to fix later, but reversed images (lettering) is a bigger problem.

Check your scanner manual / software manual for the application of the settings below, including if there is 'professional mode' and / or a profile set-up you can use to default the settings rather than having to recreate for every scan.

Professional settings

film type - color negative
image type = 48-bit color
expand for fast scanning
resolution - 2400 dpi
doc size - 36 w 24 h mm
target - custom T50_35mm (w 3888 x h 2592 pixels) <- I picked this name for the Canon T50 that created nearly all the 35mm negatives
unsharp mask = y (1st suggestion below references setting this to N as the pictures will be grainy otherwise - need to test)
grain reduction = y
color restoration = y (low)
backligh correction = n
Dust removal = y / high

average scan processing 1 - minute / negative

when DIGITAL ICE = Y instead of dust removal = scan is 4 mins per negative

For each image preview - click exposure correction for each negative to be converted

SCANNING tips (apologies if any of these links are out of date, these are my notes from 2012)

http://www.reidmorrison.com/home-users/digitizing-film (tips on Epson v600)
http://x-equals.com/blog/film-to-digital-scanning-essentials-101-part-1-of-2/ (step by step for Epson on professional, recommends still other settings include an ICE option/)
http://www.kenleegallery.com/html/tech/scanning.php (pretty technical)
http://www.imaging-resource.com/SCAN/V600/V600.HTM (good write-up)

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Mar 31, 2020 11:01:39   #
doublebogey7 Loc: Cleveland,Ohio
 
Thx, a lot of good information. Others recommended the Epson V600 also.

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Mar 31, 2020 11:08:30   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
bsprague wrote:
The two popular standards are an Epson V600 or using your camera with a macro lens and light source. You can make a slide holder if you use a camera and lens. Nikon makes one to go with a Nikon macro lens.

My Plustek unit gives much better results than my Epson unit did.

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Mar 31, 2020 12:04:15   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
doublebogey7 wrote:
Thx, the Epson 600 was back ordered on Amazon with a vague guess as to when it would be available. I’ll check out Nikon, have you ever used the smaller versions that have a Holder for 3 slides at a time and plug into the USB. That the type I tried before, it was less than 100 dollars but this was back before windows 7 or earlier.


B&H has it in stock.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/647187-REG/Epson_B11B198011_Perfection_V600_Photo_Scanner.html?sts=pi&pim=Y

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Mar 31, 2020 17:31:42   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
I believe this is the scanner I have
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/883631-REG/Plustek_783064365338_OpticFilm_8200i_Ai_Film.html

My Nikon LS-2000 works even better, but Nikon no longer makes scanners {I believe the 'rush' is over}, and it requires that I maintain my Dad's old WinXP computer.

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Mar 31, 2020 17:37:20   #
doublebogey7 Loc: Cleveland,Ohio
 
Appreciate the advice, thx

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