Shooting RAW vs RAW + Jpeg: Hi all, was wondering what the advantage is of shooting RAW + Jpeg vs just shooting in RAW. I usually clean do some post editing in Lightroom 3 and CS5. I...

scootersurfs Loc: Buckeye, Az

Hi all, was wondering what the advantage is of shooting RAW + Jpeg vs just shooting in RAW. I usually clean do some post editing in Lightroom 3 and CS5. I shoot with a Canon 60D, and want to get the most shots out of my memory cards.
Ciao for now and Thanks in advance.

LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field

If you will need to post/send photos w/o PP and quickly, it helps to have jpeg. More and more, I shoot only RAW.

scootersurfs Loc: Buckeye, Az

Am I saving space on my card not using Raw + jpeg and using RAW only?

lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode

I only shoot RAW.
Apparently RAW has a JPG embedded in it that you can get out.
I have never tried.
Shooting a RAW and a JPG (I have only ever done this once) you get a RAW to process properly in your relevant software, and you get a JPG that can be used and viewed immediately with any image program.

scootersurfs Loc: Buckeye, Az

thanks........

scootersurfs Loc: Buckeye, Az

thanks........good info...

Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA

All cameras capture only raw format, no matter the manufacturer. Raw means unprocessed, like raw milk.

You can tell the camera to save only raw, or raw + JPG, or save only JPG and discard the original raw. Raw cannot be viewed directly, so it must be converted to JPG, TIF, or another viewable format.

I save in raw + JPG, so when I upload to my P.C., I can view the JPG, then select & save the raw image for editing. All edited raw images must be saved in JPG, TIF, or another viewable format. The original raw cannot be altered or over-written.

Despite what was written previously, there is no JPG imbedded within a raw image, either by the camera, or in post processing.

MtnMan Loc: ID

schudacurl wrote:

Hi all, was wondering what the advantage is of shooting RAW + Jpeg vs just shooting in RAW. I usually clean do some post editing in Lightroom 3 and CS5. I shoot with a Canon 60D, and want to get the most shots out of my memory cards.
Ciao for now and Thanks in advance.

I just got Lightroom. I see there is a way to set it up to automatically apply your presets to mimic your cameras jpegs when you upload the pictures. Thus there is no reason to do the extra jpegs.

Kelby suggests converting to DNG when you upload...with the presets. I am doing the first step but haven't totally got the second yet.

Ziza Loc: USA

I used to shoot RAW + JPEG just because I wanted instant preview of the images once I uploaded them to my computer. Now I shoot only RAW. I found this Codec which provides thumbnail and preview support for RAW files (as well as for PSD files).

http://www.fastpictureviewer.com/codecs/

Microsoft also has such a Codec and it's free. The only problem is that I am not sure Microsoft updates it on a regular basis to include support for new cameras. I believe FastPictureViewer does. Also, I may be wrong, but I believe the Microsoft Codec doesn't add thumbnail and support preview for PSD files.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=26829

CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver

Nikonian72 wrote:

All cameras capture only raw format, no matter the... (show quote)

I believe there is. Actually, the image you see on your LCD IS a JPG extracted format the raw file. The histogram you see is the histogram of that JPG.

http://www.bythom.com/qadraw.htm

MtnMan Loc: ID

Ziza wrote:

Someone, please help me! How do I delete a duplicate post? If you noticed I have two of the same. I replied to my own post.

Sorry! I will try to be more careful in the future.

It happens. There does not appear to be a way to delete a duplicate. I go back with Edit and just delete the post and say "Oops" when it happens.

Ziza Loc: USA

MtnMan wrote:

Ziza wrote:

Someone, please help me! How do I delete a duplicate post? If you noticed I have two of the same. I replied to my own post.

Sorry! I will try to be more careful in the future.

It happens. There does not appear to be a way to delete a duplicate. I go back with Edit and just delete the post and say "Oops" when it happens.

Thanks a lot! Great idea; very clever. I just edited my duplicate post.

Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA

CaptainC wrote:

I believe there is (a JPG image imbedded in a raw capture). Actually, the image you see on your LCD IS a JPG extracted format the raw file. The histogram you see is the histogram of that JPG.

JPG, TIF, DNG images, etc., can be extracted from a raw image with the proper software, in camera, or in a PC, or Mac.

Per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_image_format
A camera raw image file contains minimally processed data from the image sensor of either a digital camera, image scanner, or motion picture film scanner. Raw files are so named because they are not yet processed and therefore are not ready to be printed or edited with a bitmap graphics editor. Normally, the image is processed by a raw converter in a wide-gamut internal colorspace where precise adjustments can be made before conversion to a "positive" file format such as TIFF or JPEG for storage, printing, or further manipulation, which often encodes the image in a device-dependent colorspace. There are dozens if not hundreds of raw formats in use by different models of digital equipment (like cameras or film scanners).

Notice that NO mention is made of a stored or "imbedded" JPG. It must be extracted from a raw image with software.

CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver

Nikonian72 wrote:

quote=CaptainC I believe there is (a JPG image im... (show quote)

OK fine - split the hairs. If it has to be "extracted" It must BE there. The problem with Wikipedia, is that anyone can post anything they want. There is no way to know if a Wikipedia poster knows what he or she is talking about. Because this unknown person did not "mention" it is not proof of anything.

Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA

CaptainC wrote:

OK fine - split the hairs. If it has to be "extracted" It must BE there. The problem with Wikipedia, is that anyone can post anything they want. There is no way to know if a Wikipedia poster knows what he or she is talking about. Because this unknown person did not "mention" it is not proof of anything.

I concede that "extracted" can be interpreted as the wrong term. 'Processed from raw information" is a better term. Pancakes are not imbedded in raw batter. Raw batter must be processed (cooked) to obtain pancakes. And once processed, pancakes can never became batter again, nor imbedded in batter.

I cannot vouch for all Wikipedia accuracy. I can vouch for the descriptive accuracy as quoted previously. If it is wrong, please feel free to alter the Wikipedia definition by adding the term "JPG imbedded in raw format" where you think it will be appropriate. If your addition is vetted by contributing experts, it will be retained. If not, it will be deleted. Be prepared to cite authentic references, not just posted opinions.