frjeff wrote:
I am thinking of picking up a simple, older camera, and keep the lens inventory to one or two lenses.
I just returned an older Pentax K10D as the viewfinder was was impossible to see in bright sunlight. Sadly, I was highly impressed with the IQ of that 10MP camera.
Not looking for all the bells and whistles of a modern camera (already have two). Just looking for good IQ.
Before I make a choice, I began to think that before I choose a camera, I might be wise to determine which brand has the best “kit” lens and/or prime lenses (35mm-50mm) as that is where I’d likely start (and might remain. Would primarily shoot street and landscapes with the camera.
Any thoughts on this camera picking methodology? And also, your thoughts on my lens question?
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You don't need to limit yourself to an older camera, unless your budget is extremely tight.
There have been a number of interesting suggestions already. I suspect a lot of them are waaaaayyyy more $ than you wanted to spend! But I don't know your budget, so am going to limit to $600 for the camera and kit lens.
For your consideration:
Canon M50 with EF-M 15-45mm kit lens. Currently on sale for $599 or $480 refurbished from the Canon USA web site, this is a 24MP APS-C mirrorless camera with built-in viewfinder. The lens is what makes this option a bit of a stand-out. It's wider than many kit lenses (with a full frame angle of view equiv. 24-72mm). That would be nice for landscapes and street photography. The electronic viewfinder would be great for low light shooting conditions and also can be helpful if using manual focus lenses on the camera. The Canon M5 is also on sale, even more discounted to $569, but the lens in kit with it is the EF-M 18-150mm (29-240mm FF equiv.)
In addition, for use with these cameras Canon offers a neat 22mm f/2 "pancake" lens (35mm FF equiv.) that would be fun to use for street photography. Or, if you wanted wider for landscapes, there is an EF-M 11-22mm (approx. 18-35mm FF equiv.) There aren't a whole lot of EF-M lenses avail., but there are good choices for your particular purposes. There also are some interesting third party lenses. Rokinon/Samyang offers 10mm f/2.8, 12mm f/2, 21mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.2, 50mm f/1.2 and others... manual focus and aperture, but affordable, well built, large aperture lenses. Sigma just introduced several AF lenses for the M-series, too.
Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM "pancake" lens sells for $229 new, but can be found refurbished (Canon USA website) for $199 or for even less used.
Canon EF-M 11-22mm STM IS lens is on sale for $349 new (reg. 399), but might be found for less used.
FYI: I've mentioned Canon refurbished a couple times.... Those can be a good deal and have the same warranty as new, but are only sold direct from the Canon USA online store.
There are similar moderate cost mirrorless camera options from other manufacturers:
Sony A6000 with 16-50mm kit lens (24-75mm equiv.), 24MP APS-C, $548.
Olympus OMD-EM10 Mark III with 14-42mm kit lens (28-84mm equiv.), 16MP Micro 4/3, $499.
Olympus OMD-EM10 Mark II with 14-42mm kit lens (28-42mm equiv.), 16MP Micro 4/3, $449.
I limited the above to mirrorless cameras with built-in viewfinders, with a kit lens and priced under $600.
I'll leave it to you to explore what other lenses are available for the Sony and Oly systems, if you're interested.
All these mirrorless are quite compact, smaller than most DSLRs, but still allow for interchangeable lenses. I see the latter as a distinct advantage over non-interchangeable lens, compact point-n-shoot digital cameras. All these cameras can be as simple or as complex as you want them to be. They can be set to "auto" and perform like a point-n-shoot... or you can set everything manually if you wish.
They also all use electronic viewfinders, which can be set up to preview exposure and can be very helpful when shooting in low light. They also have manual focus assist features you won't find in the optical viewfinders of DSLRs. The down side to electronic viewfinders is that they're power hogs... These cameras typically will get a lot fewer shots per charge than a DSLR.
If you prefer a DSLR, you might check out the Canon SL2 or SL3. Only a little bigger and heavier than the M-series mirrorless, I see the SL3 selling for $520 refurbished with the EF-S 18-55mm kit lens. There are even cheaper (T6, T7, SL1), but I recommend avoiding them because they lack a lot of important features found on the above models. You'll also find cheaper Canon M-series mirrorless (M100, M6) but those don't have a built-in viewfinder (M6 can be fitted with an accessory viewfinder, but that's extra cost). Some Canon DSLR two-lens kits are offered with an EF 75-300mm III... avoid it. That's Canon's cheapest and worst telephoto zoom. The Canon EF-S 55-250mm IS STM lens is usually a little bit more expensive, but is a much better lens in every possible way.
You really should try to look at any models you're considering in a store, to be sure the viewfinder is up to your expectations. The Canon M50, Sony a6000, Oly EM-10D III and II all have 100% viewfinders that are fairly large with higher magnification. The Oly EM-10D III has the highest magnification viewfinder, but as a Micro 4/3 camera it's sensor is a little smaller than the Canon and Sony, so the actual difference may be minimal. The Canon SL3 DSLR has a 95% viewfinder, lower magnification and a bit smaller I'm sure. Many lower cost, APS-C DSLR viewfinders are a bit "tight". I suspect the SL3's viewfinder might be even smaller than the K10D's. The mirrorless camera viewfinders may be more to your liking.
All the above are current or very recent models, would be in warranty and repairable (if need be) for some years to come. The same can't be said for a used, 14 year old K10D!