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Feb 23, 2020 16:35:45   #
Stan Fayer
 
I have an Epson V500 scanner which came with several masks for scanning negatives and slides. One of the masks is for 4X5’s . I recently got a job scanning old 4X5 and when I went to do the job I found that the scanner will not scan 4X5’s. What I’ve read is others have scanned half the negative, once on each side then knitted the two halves together..
Too much time wasted and not always a perfect knit. Why would Epson include the frame with the scanner with ngno explanation on how to use it. I’m now looking for another way to digitalize the negs without having to buy another scanner. I’m rigging a way to shoot the negatives with my camera. Any other ideas?
Stan

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Feb 23, 2020 16:41:06   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
On an off chance - Are you placing the mask in the correct position on the scanner bed?

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Feb 23, 2020 16:48:17   #
Stan Fayer
 
I’ve tried all 4 corners the middle and upside down. I only get a partial scan no matter what I do. When I do get a partial scan it looks good . But can’t get a full scan

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Feb 23, 2020 16:51:23   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Epson’s V700, V750, V800, V850 should scan 4x5 film.

OR:

Clean negs carefully. Copy with macro lens on dSLR or MILC. Use a very well-diffused light source. Use raw capture.

For best results, use Negative Lab Pro plug-in in Adobe Lightroom Classic. I swear by it! It uses pro lab negative scanning software to get color and tones right.

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Feb 23, 2020 17:06:17   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
I've found a lot of comments to the tune of: "The V500 will not scan 4x5 in one pass. The opening for film scanning is less than 3" wide. I found that out when I unpacked it. I returned it for the V700, which will do two 4x5's at a time. You could scan 4x5's in two sections, then stitch them together with the V500, but that's a lot of trouble."

Possibly the window for back-lighting the negatives is only 3" wide on that scanner????

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Feb 23, 2020 19:30:28   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Longshadow wrote:
I've found a lot of comments to the tune of: "The V500 will not scan 4x5 in one pass. The opening for film scanning is less than 3" wide. I found that out when I unpacked it. I returned it for the V700, which will do two 4x5's at a time. You could scan 4x5's in two sections, then stitch them together with the V500, but that's a lot of trouble."

Possibly the window for back-lighting the negatives is only 3" wide on that scanner????


That’s the issue... it’s a narrower area.

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Feb 24, 2020 10:20:59   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
Stan Fayer wrote:
I have an Epson V500 scanner which came with several masks for scanning negatives and slides. One of the masks is for 4X5’s . I recently got a job scanning old 4X5 and when I went to do the job I found that the scanner will not scan 4X5’s. What I’ve read is others have scanned half the negative, once on each side then knitted the two halves together..
Too much time wasted and not always a perfect knit. Why would Epson include the frame with the scanner with ngno explanation on how to use it. I’m now looking for another way to digitalize the negs without having to buy another scanner. I’m rigging a way to shoot the negatives with my camera. Any other ideas?
Stan
I have an Epson V500 scanner which came with sever... (show quote)


Is there some reason why you cannot just place the negative on the scanner bed without a frame? I'm pretty sure I scanned a 4x5 neg once on my V550.

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Feb 24, 2020 10:35:49   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
DebAnn wrote:
Is there some reason why you cannot just place the negative on the scanner bed without a frame? I'm pretty sure I scanned a 4x5 neg once on my V550.

Don't they have to be back-lit?
If the lighting area is less that 4x5, it won't work correctly.
They don't usually work like a copier (reflective lighting).

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Feb 24, 2020 10:42:21   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
Longshadow wrote:
Don't they have to be back-lit?
If the lighting area is less that 4x5, it won't work correctly.
They don't usually work like a copier (reflective lighting).


Good point! I'll try to remember how I did it.

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Feb 24, 2020 10:43:40   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Checking the manual might be an option ... Their 4x5 frame was provided for a reason, one of which might be for successful scanning 4x5 negatives.

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Feb 24, 2020 11:08:08   #
rcarol
 
Stan Fayer wrote:
I have an Epson V500 scanner which came with several masks for scanning negatives and slides. One of the masks is for 4X5’s . I recently got a job scanning old 4X5 and when I went to do the job I found that the scanner will not scan 4X5’s. What I’ve read is others have scanned half the negative, once on each side then knitted the two halves together..
Too much time wasted and not always a perfect knit. Why would Epson include the frame with the scanner with ngno explanation on how to use it. I’m now looking for another way to digitalize the negs without having to buy another scanner. I’m rigging a way to shoot the negatives with my camera. Any other ideas?
Stan
I have an Epson V500 scanner which came with sever... (show quote)


The specs for that scanner indicate the largest transparency/negative that can be scanned is 6 cm X 12 cm which is a little more than 1/2 the width of a 4 X 5 in transparency/negative.

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Feb 24, 2020 11:08:56   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Checking the manual might be an option ... Their 4x5 frame was provided for a reason, one of which might be for successful scanning 4x5 negatives.


From the Epson site:

https://files.support.epson.com/htmldocs/prv5ph/prv5phug/specs_2.htm

The V500 can scan:

Reflective Media:
216 × 297 mm (8.5 × 11.7 inches) A4 or US letter size

Transparent Media:
35mm film strip: 12 frames at a time
35mm slides: up to 4 slides at a time
6 × 12 cm medium format: 1 frame at a time

There is no mention anywhere of 4x5 support. It is possible that the OP has a holder left over from a different Epson scanner, or purchased as an accessory that, unfortunately, won't work. An Internet search reveals many aftermarket film holders for various Epson flatbeds. Some of them will fit on the bed of the less expensive scanners, but require the V700 or higher model numbers to function properly.

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Feb 24, 2020 11:20:17   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
burkphoto wrote:
From the Epson site:

https://files.support.epson.com/htmldocs/prv5ph/prv5phug/specs_2.htm

The V500 can scan:

Reflective Media:
216 × 297 mm (8.5 × 11.7 inches) A4 or US letter size

Transparent Media:
35mm film strip: 12 frames at a time
35mm slides: up to 4 slides at a time
6 × 12 cm medium format: 1 frame at a time

There is no mention anywhere of 4x5 support. It is possible that the OP has a holder left over from a different Epson scanner, or purchased as an accessory that, unfortunately, won't work. An Internet search reveals many aftermarket film holders for various Epson flatbeds. Some of them will fit on the bed of the less expensive scanners, but require the V700 or higher model numbers to function properly.
From the Epson site: br br https://files.support.... (show quote)


Could be. I have the v700 and the 4x5 frame. Is there a scan profile difference, say the OP created for 35mm that needs to be recreated for 4x5 work?

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Feb 24, 2020 11:47:49   #
ORpilot Loc: Prineville, Or
 
Anyone know where to send 8x10 chrome and negatives to get scanned? I only have a few to get scanned?

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Feb 24, 2020 12:42:02   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Could be. I have the v700 and the 4x5 frame. Is there a scan profile difference, say the OP created for 35mm that needs to be recreated for 4x5 work?


It’s the hardware. The 500, 550, and 600 have a narrower light source in the lid for transilluminating film.

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