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Feb 12, 2020 19:43:24   #
wmcy Loc: Charlotte
 
Does anyone use Apple iCloud as there main (cloud based) storage drive with Lightroom? If so, what is the downside other than cost ($9.99 per month for 1TB)?

Thanks in advance.

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Feb 12, 2020 20:32:19   #
JohnR Loc: The Gates of Hell
 
Apple, and probably their iCloud, is not at all secure IMHO. I had my AppleID hacked recently which was really only a nuisance making me delete it and create a new one. I would not be the least bit surprised if your photos turned up on other sites without your permission. I haven't, and never will, used iCloud to backup or store my photos.
JohnR

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Feb 12, 2020 20:41:00   #
kc1 Loc: NoVA
 
IMHO, there are several other cloud backup options that offer more value than iCloud. This is based on having been a subscriber to iCloud (& its ancillary services) since their humble beginning as "iTools" back in '02. I have been using Backblaze as my cloud backup for the last 6 years and have found it's $6/mo. fee well worth the cost. Another option is Amazon Prime Photos, a service that others have recommended highly as well- not that I've used it myself, but I have looked at it closely & may still sign up for it too.

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Feb 12, 2020 20:57:58   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
JohnR wrote:
Apple, and probably their iCloud, is not at all secure IMHO. I had my AppleID hacked recently which was really only a nuisance making me delete it and create a new one. I would not be the least bit surprised if your photos turned up on other sites without your permission. I haven't, and never will, used iCloud to backup or store my photos.
JohnR


I’d like to hear the specifics of that. The question is how specifically was your Apple ID discovered by someone else? How about your password? (both would be necessary to access your data) - how was that discovered?

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Feb 12, 2020 21:31:54   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
"main (cloud based) storage drive with Lightroom?"

Does that work? Lightroom (cloudy) has it's own system. Lightroom Classic (I think) needs its disks. You might be able to sync a copy to iCloud, but can iCloud be the drive for LR Classic?

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Feb 12, 2020 21:47:04   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
bsprague wrote:
"main (cloud based) storage drive with Lightroom?"

Does that work? Lightroom (cloudy) has it's own system. Lightroom Classic (I think) needs its disks. You might be able to sync a copy to iCloud, but can iCloud be the drive for LR Classic?


Even if you can, do you want to? Unless you have a minimum of a wired symmetrical Gbit internet connection, it’s going to be a performance bottleneck compared to local disk, especially if your local disk is SSD.

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Feb 12, 2020 22:37:13   #
wmcy Loc: Charlotte
 
Great feedback and reasonable questions raised. I’ll stay away from iCloud as a primary drive.

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Feb 12, 2020 22:47:01   #
JohnR Loc: The Gates of Hell
 
TriX wrote:
I’d like to hear the specifics of that. The question is how specifically was your Apple ID discovered by someone else? How about your password? (both would be necessary to access your data) - how was that discovered?


Hi TrX, I received an emailed invoice purporting to be from the App Store for a game (it said) I'd bought for US$83. Strange as I never ever play games. Anyway this required me to Confirm or Cancel the payment which I naturally tried to cancel. To complete the cancellation it then required many more details and photographs of my credit card, the number of which could only have been acquired from Apple from whom (where?) I've bought several computers. Only here in Australia mind. Anyway to cut a short story long, I naturally closed and then deleted the obvious scam e-mail and thought no more about it until a few days later when my bank cancelled my credit card, due as they said, to unexpected actions. This turned out to be someone trying to buy US$13 worth of vitamins in the USA! As I said it was only an inconvenience - didn't cost me anything as my bank didn't pay out the invoices - I just had to wait for a new credit card and change my e-mail address, my Apple ID and re-do a number of monthly payments from my old credit card. There is nowhere else but Apple where they could have got my credit card number. Never been to the USA and probably never will (pity but I'm not a Millionaire) I shall never trust Apple again with my credit card for payments. Cheers JohnR

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Feb 12, 2020 23:27:19   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
JohnR wrote:
Hi TrX, I received an emailed invoice purporting to be from the App Store for a game (it said) I'd bought for US$83. Strange as I never ever play games. Anyway this required me to Confirm or Cancel the payment which I naturally tried to cancel. To complete the cancellation it then required many more details and photographs of my credit card, the number of which could only have been acquired from Apple from whom (where?) I've bought several computers. Only here in Australia mind. Anyway to cut a short story long, I naturally closed and then deleted the obvious scam e-mail and thought no more about it until a few days later when my bank cancelled my credit card, due as they said, to unexpected actions. This turned out to be someone trying to buy US$13 worth of vitamins in the USA! As I said it was only an inconvenience - didn't cost me anything as my bank didn't pay out the invoices - I just had to wait for a new credit card and change my e-mail address, my Apple ID and re-do a number of monthly payments from my old credit card. There is nowhere else but Apple where they could have got my credit card number. Never been to the USA and probably never will (pity but I'm not a Millionaire) I shall never trust Apple again with my credit card for payments. Cheers JohnR
Hi TrX, I received an emailed invoice purporting t... (show quote)


Thanks and interesting. So it sounds as if you received a phishing email, purportedly from Apple, for a fake charge, and in response, you provided a photo and specifics of your credit card, and then that was used to attempt to make a real charge against the card, which the bank caught? Is that the net-net? And you’re assuming that the phishers obtained your card number from Apple because the email supposedly came from Apple and you had used the card to make purchases from Apple? And no data was actually hacked from ICLoud? Do I have all of that correct?

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Feb 13, 2020 01:05:21   #
JohnR Loc: The Gates of Hell
 
TriX wrote:
Thanks and interesting. So it sounds as if you received a phishing email, purportedly from Apple, for a fake charge, and in response, you provided a photo and specifics of your credit card, and then that was used to attempt to make a real charge against the card, which the bank caught? Is that the net-net? And you’re assuming that the phishers obtained your card number from Apple because the email supposedly came from Apple and you had used the card to make purchases from Apple? And no data was actually hacked from ICLoud? Do I have all of that correct?
Thanks and interesting. So it sounds as if you rec... (show quote)


No - not quite. I did not respond with specific details or photos just closed the email when they asked for those details and photos and then deleted it. They already had my credit card number and e-mail address on the invoice. I remembered afterwards the letter A in Apple had two dots on top which may have indicated it wasn't really a genuine Apple invoice.

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Feb 13, 2020 07:55:13   #
steve33 Loc: Yarmouth MA
 
Apple won't let you do anything without giving a credit card first ! You could get a secondary card, maybe a debit with a nominal amount. This way you don't expose your main credit card. Less of a problem if something happens. My grandson is autistic,and needed software that's only available on IOS. The app store doesn't work without a payment method set up first!!

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Feb 13, 2020 08:24:17   #
riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas
 
wmcy wrote:
Does anyone use Apple iCloud as there main (cloud based) storage drive with Lightroom? If so, what is the downside other than cost ($9.99 per month for 1TB)?

Thanks in advance.


I quit using it because it was too slow upload and download speeds.
Bruce

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Feb 13, 2020 08:34:09   #
wds0410 Loc: Nunya
 
wmcy wrote:
Does anyone use Apple iCloud as there main (cloud based) storage drive with Lightroom? If so, what is the downside other than cost ($9.99 per month for 1TB)?

Thanks in advance.


I've been using it for a couple of years and never had any problem with it. Works like a champ.

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Feb 13, 2020 08:44:53   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
JohnR wrote:
No - not quite. I did not respond with specific details or photos just closed the email when they asked for those details and photos and then deleted it. They already had my credit card number and e-mail address on the invoice. I remembered afterwards the letter A in Apple had two dots on top which may have indicated it wasn't really a genuine Apple invoice.


I see. So have you ever used the card at any other merchant than Apple? The point I’m getting at is how do you know the card was compromised by Apple? Not trying to be obtuse, I just don’t quite understand (yet).

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Feb 13, 2020 09:15:01   #
a6k Loc: Detroit & Sanibel
 
JohnR wrote:
Apple, and probably their iCloud, is not at all secure IMHO. I had my AppleID hacked recently which was really only a nuisance making me delete it and create a new one. I would not be the least bit surprised if your photos turned up on other sites without your permission. I haven't, and never will, used iCloud to backup or store my photos.
JohnR


I can't prove the negative but in any public event, when an iCould account is broken into it turns out to be a normal break, not a break in iCloud's security. In other words, it was PROBABLY your own security (ID and PW) that failed. 2-factor authentication is available.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204915

Do you have any evidence that the failure was at Apple's end? I would not think it likely that if the bad guys could do that they would not do it on a massive scale. If that had happened then it is probably that it would be well known, at least in IT circles.

This is not a comment on using it for the OP's specified use; I've got no opinion on that.

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