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Sep 12, 2012 18:01:25   #
Pepsiman Loc: New York City
 
THanks for the photo,it looks great... However, Ido all my editing in Picasa... Cant afford to pay for software or a new camera... No hard feelings...Thanks again...
Tont

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Sep 12, 2012 18:09:51   #
cheineck Loc: Hobe Sound, FL
 
Pepsiman wrote:
THanks for the photo,it looks great... However, Ido all my editing in Picasa... Cant afford to pay for software or a new camera... No hard feelings...Thanks again...
Tont


You might find it more cost efficient to purchase good software rather than going to the expense of setting up a pro darkroom and using new film cameras. Just a thought! Happy shooting, Carl

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Sep 12, 2012 20:27:05   #
Pepsiman Loc: New York City
 
Carl: I have a few old Kodak filf cameras to go with my Pentax SLR...I put thm away since I went digitial..
I tried other software and like Picaa the best... I took online classes with HP when they had instructors...Photoshop element 8 was to dificult for me to learn.Thanks for your help...
Tony

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Sep 12, 2012 21:34:22   #
rebride
 
The tonal range produced by the masters was achieved by knowledge of the dynamic (contrast) range of the scene, the dynamic range of the film and how to expose in conjunction with adjustments of development (time/temperature/dilution) of the negative and print to get the results desired.
Just shooting B&W negative film and having it developed by a generic lab won't do it.
I'd love to see prints of the CaptainC's images.

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Sep 12, 2012 22:58:48   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
silver wrote:
morriscowley wrote:
Have studied the past masters of black and white photographers and without exception the blacks are blacker and the whites are whiter and tones great with film than I can never get with digital, even though everyone says digital is the way to . I'm about to buy a roll of black and white film, have it developed but do the printing and "improvements" myself. What say you experienced black photographers. morriscowley.


I have been shooting B&W film for over 40 years and I specialize in silver B&W developing and printing. I own and operate a custom B&W silver lab in Los Angeles and I sell my prints to collectors. Over the years I started to have clients ask me about digital printing and digital capture so as a result I was forced to become digitally knowledgable and I now also teach digital techniques both B&W and color. I also teach traditional B&W silver developing and printing. I can make digital B&W prints that absolutely are as good in contrast and tonal range compared to silver B&W prints. The digital process has come a long way over the pst few years and if you have the right technique and the right equipment you can produce stellar digital B&W prints. I live in both worlds now. I can make digital prints that you can put side by side with conventional silver B&W prints and you cannot tell the difference. There has been a considerable improvement in the quality of materials available for digital printing especially for digital B&W printing. This does not mean that one is better then the other, it just means that we now have more tools at our disposal to use in the creative process. Many of the past masters were not technically oriented and many of them did not know what they were doing when it came to the silver B&W process. I have done some work for the Getty Museum doing archiving of images for them and I have seen prints that were done by past masters, Eugene Atget comes to mind and his prints are not stable and many of them are being lost because he was not darkroom proficient. When you go to see original prints done by the masters you can see the failings that they had. I went to see some original prints of Ansel Adams and upon careful inspection they were full of dust marks and dirt marks. When studying the past masters it is very important to see original prints of there work to evaluate the technical skills that they had. Photographers such as Robert Mapplethorpe had custom printers doing there work. One last thing. People that collect photographic images will never pay the price for a digital print that they will pay for a silver print. The funny thing is that most probably ink jet prints are more stable and will last longer then most silver prints. I encounter this all the time when people buy my prints. The first thing they ask me is if the prints are silver prints or ink jet prints. Most people cant tell the difference anyway. There will always be traditional silver printing, it is very magical to watch a print appear in the developer but the fact is that digital B&W prints are just as good as silver prints now. I am not saying that one is better then the other quality wise, I am just saying that there is now a tool that we can use that is exciting and interesting. When I go to photography exhibits almost 100 % of the B&W prints are digital. I still do my exhibition printing using the traditional silver process but I now also offer my work in digital form.
quote=morriscowley Have studied the past masters... (show quote)


Wow, I agree 100%. The day I stopped printing in my darkroom was the day I saw my first b/w print made with a LightJet using Fuji Crystal Archive color paper. My reflection densitometer showed that the blacks were as black or blacker than those on Ilford Multigrade IV fiber base paper. And now, inkjets appear to have caught up to the LightJet.

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Sep 12, 2012 23:09:08   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
rebride wrote:
The tonal range produced by the masters was achieved by knowledge of the dynamic (contrast) range of the scene, the dynamic range of the film and how to expose in conjunction with adjustments of development (time/temperature/dilution) of the negative and print to get the results desired.
Just shooting B&W negative film and having it developed by a generic lab won't do it.
I'd love to see prints of the CaptainC's images.


That is nice of you to say. They look as good as anything done in the wet darkroom. As has been said - not better - but a different way. And the Epson 3880 puts out a KILLER B&W or toned print.

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Sep 12, 2012 23:33:45   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
This was discussed last night at my camera club relative to prints. The experts made the point that you need a printer with not just one black cartridge but with three...dark gray and light gray. Otherwise you can't get the tones.

The other choice is to have your prints done by a place that does professional prints. Bay Photo was one mentioned. You won't get good B&W from Costco etc...although they do quite will on color.

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