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Feb 4, 2020 09:42:38   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
BboH wrote:
Re - external drive and storage method - just what I do. One possible addition - if I go back to the same place I then create a date folder for each return
Re - "...data base..." Look at MicroSoft Works (data base, spread sheet, word processor, calendar), available thru Amazon from 3rd party vendors, no longer supported by Microsoft, costs about $50.00. Had to buy again when I lost my XP. Have used its data base for years, simple, easy to use, one step up from a spread sheet.


I tried it. It didn't work. Don't remember now why.

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Feb 4, 2020 09:54:32   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
Some great suggestions already posted.

To get started go to You Tube and request a video using key words in LR.

Are you aware of the sorting tools at the top of the screen when in Library/Grid mode. Clicking on text will enable you to search by key words.

Also look at You Tube and learn about collections and smart collections. It will help you decide on how to key word images. LR really is a very valuable tool for managing your images.

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Feb 4, 2020 10:02:03   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
Tip based on a question above.

In LR in Library/Grid mode, you can highlight multiple images and enter key word(s) for all highlighted images at one time. I frequently do this when I have been shooting in one location on a shoot. Then individually or again is subsets you can additional key word to one or more images as needed.

For example on a recent trip to Death Valley, I started all images with Death Valley as a key word.
Some images were at Mesquite Dunes, so I selected (highlighted) those images and added Mesquite Dunes to them. Others were at Ubehebe Crater and I selected those images and entered that description. Some images had clouds or sunsets, etc, and as desired I added those additional key words.

I will also some times add Print or Contest entry to specific images.

Further, I will then sort and color code and star images.

Then, I can sort on any combination of these key words, color codes and star codes. Makes finding images later relatively easy.

Have fun experimenting and getting to a good personal filing approach.

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Feb 4, 2020 10:15:47   #
AlanW Loc: Upstate NY
 
GreenReaper wrote:
How are you cataloging your images? I've got the Adobe products through the subscription service. LR does a great job, but I find it cumbersome and half the time still can't find what I'm looking for. I shoot a lot but not thousands on a yearly basis. Any thoughts and ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.


I have a KelbyOne subscription and I found Scott's SLIM (Simplified Lightroom Image Management) system works best for me after trying several other methods. It is based on having a few top level categories (10 or so) and then sub-folders as needed. You then duplicate this structure as collection sets and create collections under the bottom set. You then work within those collections(see example below). It is the basis for my workflow in LR. I also use some keywording to help find things across multiple collections. Collections (and virtual copies) are powerful tools in LR once you get familiar with them.

Example folder:
_Sports/Soccer/GF Varsity vs LG 10152019/<Import all your images for this shoot here>

Corresponding collections and collection sets:
_Sports/Soccer/GF Varsity vs LG 10152019/Full Shoot (All images for this shoot)
_Sports/Soccer/GF Varsity vs LG 10152019/Picks (First round of culling)
_Sports/Soccer/GF Varsity vs LG 10152019/Selects (Second round of culling, to be PP'd)

Additional collection:
Projects/GF Varsity 2019/Book (Images from multiple Sports collections to be included in a book)

I suggest you look into the Kelby SLIM system via google.

Hope this helps more than it confuses :)

Alan

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Feb 4, 2020 10:19:47   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
GreenReaper wrote:
How are you cataloging your images? I've got the Adobe products through the subscription service. LR does a great job, but I find it cumbersome and half the time still can't find what I'm looking for. I shoot a lot but not thousands on a yearly basis. Any thoughts and ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.


I have nearly 200,000 images in my current Lease catalog and can find any image within a few seconds.

I make use of descriptive folder names, keywords, collections. My folders are listed by year then by month and date. Are you doing at least one of these things?

My folder structure allows me to be almost as fast using Windows Explorer in most cases. I do NOT group folders by subject matter- that's what Lr's collections and keywording is for.

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Feb 4, 2020 13:31:37   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
Bob Mevis wrote:
That's how I do it. Only I put the event first. Best way I've found.


Me too! I find LR's default of using dates of no value to me. I have no idea what would be in folder with just a date, especially if it's years old. My outermost directory is say 2019. Each folder is specific to the place and date. Eg. 2019->
XYZ State park 3-15-19
Tom's wedding 4-21-19
XYZ State park 5-22-19
....
2020->
etc
....
.....
adding keywords will help you zero in even quicker

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Feb 4, 2020 15:21:48   #
Photocraig
 
AzPicLady wrote:
I keep my images on external hard drives. I have lots of them. I don't make the folders by date, because after a few years I have no idea what year I went where. The folders are by location or event. That I will remember. obviously, though, the hard drives get filled up by date. So I write on the outside of them with silver alcohol pens what folders are on that drive.

I used to keep a database and loved it. I could find anything in a matter of minutes. That was a DOS program that didn't work on anything past XP. Since losing that program, I have tried several others but none seem to work well. I'm still working on finding one, but it will be a LOT of work. I do not find LR's "cataloging" to be very good, since I don't have all my hard drives plugged in at the same time.
I keep my images on external hard drives. I have ... (show quote)


Hi AZ, I betcha you could use Excel (if you have it) to accomplish what the DOS program does---if you still want to do it. Excel has a powerful search and sorting capability as well as competent date arithmetic. It is a mini database (simple) and a computational monster for algebra enabled people.

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Feb 4, 2020 15:24:01   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
Photocraig wrote:
Hi AZ, I betcha you could use Excel (if you have it) to accomplish what the DOS program does---if you still want to do it. Excel has a powerful search and sorting capability as well as competent date arithmetic. It is a mini database (simple) and a computational monster for algebra enabled people.


I've used Excel for decades. It's one of my favorite programs. However, it won't do what the original database did, and I'm still searching for a database like that one. But thanks for thinking of me!

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Feb 4, 2020 15:25:42   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
StevenG wrote:
I use LR. However, I don’t file by date, as many do. I’m not a professional, and don’t need events filed by date. Personally, I can never remember dates of trips, family events, etc. I file by family or event or location etc. and within that I may add a date. For example: Jane’s birthday: then sub headings: 1st bd, 2nd bd etc. Or: Thanksgiving: then sub headings: 2018, 2019, etc. Or: Budapest to Amsterdam: sub headings: Budapest, Vienna, Nuremberg, etc. I can usually find any photo in a matter of minutes.
I use LR. However, I don’t file by date, as many d... (show quote)
I also catalog by subject, which makes sense because I often use two cameras essentially simultaneously, and I will often visit the same place multiple times with different cameras. I am much more interested in place, occasion than any other subject.

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Feb 4, 2020 15:42:48   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
My organization key is the keywords.

I rename my files on download so that they have a short description of the shoot plus the date and time.
Files are stored in a folder with a path YYYY/[description]/RAW (or JPG). Edited results are stored in the folder at YYYY/[description].

I put the description on the file name and the folder name so that my family can find things when I'm gone. I rarely use it myself to find things.
Instead, I rely on keywords and collections. I try to make the keyword list fairly complete for each file. When I import into LR all the images get a generic set of keywords, applicable to all the images. After culling, I then go through the lot and add names of people appearing in the photo and any other important items applicable to individual files.

If you keyword set is reasonably complete a search for keywords will bring up images that you are looking for. You can include names in the keyword search so you can find photos of particular people at particular events. I view keywording as an art to be learned. You want a complete enough set of keywords to describe a shot fully, but not so many as to take forever to add them. LR does help with keywording. It will give suggestions when you start to enter a keyword and you can look at a list of recent keywords and select one or two of them as needed. You can also look through the entire set of keywords. It can be a big set, but it's useful if you make a type or misspell someone's name. You can edit the keywords.

Collections are also a good way to organize events, or places. And smart collections can automate the process.

As with many others, I don't remember when I took a photo. If I want to know that, I look the photo up in LR and find the date there.

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Feb 4, 2020 15:54:09   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
Jason Bradley did a 4-part article in Outdoor Photographer on Organizing Your Photos. Part 4 was in the December issue. It's pretty good. He discusses the use of keywords, collections, etc.

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Feb 4, 2020 16:39:38   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
Don't use Lightroom, but the similar Photoshop Elements Organizer. Download from card by date. When they are ID'd by the program add Keywords like Place, Event, photography, other, etc. then year if I have been there more than once. Ex. Disneyland 1995 Oct. Try to abbreviate, ex: Disny 1995 oct. Some abbreviations only I might know: Rancho Santa Ana Botanic Gardens becomes RSABG. The keyword tag will have the full name.

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Feb 4, 2020 16:46:39   #
BanjoTom
 
GreenReaper wrote:
How are you cataloging your images? I've got the Adobe products through the subscription service. LR does a great job, but I find it cumbersome and half the time still can't find what I'm looking for. I shoot a lot but not thousands on a yearly basis. Any thoughts and ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.


Check out IMatch -- if you use Windows, it's a fabulous program for cataloging, annotating, and (ultimately) retrieving images (or other files on your PC, since it's more than a photo-database; it's a full-blown Digital Asset Manager. Works very well in conjunction with Lightroom, too. And IMatch has the best product support I've ever encountered, and a world-wide forum of helpful users as well. Try it out for free at photools.com...

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Feb 4, 2020 16:51:18   #
lschiz Loc: Elgin, IL
 
GreenReaper wrote:
How are you cataloging your images? I've got the Adobe products through the subscription service. LR does a great job, but I find it cumbersome and half the time still can't find what I'm looking for. I shoot a lot but not thousands on a yearly basis. Any thoughts and ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.


Being a LR user for many years I have found the Cataloging is great, by year, month event, however you prefer BUT
Key wording is such powerful tool. I focus on key wording for gen info and details. You can find any word in seconds and all the images pop up.
I'm sure there must be other programs equality good as LR with key wording.
I would suggest spend time to keyword any image enough to find it.

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Feb 4, 2020 17:06:57   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
GreenReaper wrote:
How are you cataloging your images? I've got the Adobe products through the subscription service. LR does a great job, but I find it cumbersome and half the time still can't find what I'm looking for. I shoot a lot but not thousands on a yearly basis. Any thoughts and ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.


Something I do sometimes with Lightroom. When I am looking for a picture to represent an idea I will look through the keyword list. This will often give me some hints. Clicking on a keyword in the list brings up all the shots with that word.
...Cam

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