Carusoswi

I am a newly banned member of the "Cambridge in Colors (Colours) forum as a result of my reply #35 in a thread titled GIMP compared to Photoshop. Read the thread and judge for yourself. I grow so weary of the tired reasons trotted out in favor of the Adobe products (Gimp can't handle 16 bit images, no "infrastructure" or tutorial support as compared to the industry leader, etc.). The dictatorial statements that Gimp was never used to produce major cinematic productions (OK, it was Film Gimp, which I mentioned in my reply), and that, for some reason, the myriad tutorials available on Gimp and darktable (or Blender and other FOSS offerings) do not outnumber those available for Adobe CC should discourage a newbie from trying FOSS applications really gets under my skin. It takes exactly one tutorial that meets your needs to get you well on your way to using most FOSS offerings. That the main belligerent in this thread is a moderator is most disturbing to me. I was hit with a lifetime ban from the subject forum for my reply (#35) because "It is clear that you don't agree with the tone used in the forum." If interested, point your browser towards this forum, check out the thread, and judge for yourself. I learned photo editing on Adobe products, and have been a subscriber to their CC subscription plan since its inception. PS is a great product. However, in reaction to this thread (and because of my immersion into darktable and GIMP, I hardly ever use Adobe CC now), I just terminated my subscription. Have a look at the thread and draw your own conclusions. Caruso

Rongnongno Loc: FL

Over reaction.

I do not see how jerks in a forum an lead you to dump PS CC.

I do not use GIMP but it is a great program that has flaws as does PS CC (so is Darktable). Using the combination of the three should yield great results.

Grahame Loc: Fiji

As a long time member and regular participant of CiC I find your post rather surprising. Whilst we have a far better control of 'behaviour' there than here I see nothing contentious in your post #35 on that thread that would warrant a 'ban'. In fact 'bans' are extremely unusual other than occasional blocks on obvious spammers.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Can you post a link?

Carusoswi

Link:
https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/forums/thread7769.htm

Carusoswi

It was not only my treatment in the thread.
As I mention in the thread, my workflow now involves mostly processing RAW files with darktable. To a much lesser extent, if I am Windows, I will turn to Capture One rather than Lightroom. Both DT and C1 allow localized adjustments performed on the RAW file. Both, in this regard, are ahead of Lightroom and work better for me.

I was working on video in Windows and happened to open a tiff file previously edited/exported from DT, decided to make a few adjustments, and, on a whim, tried the Windows version of GIMP instead of PS. I used to find the application very slow in Windows, but version 2.10 (I guess) has fixed this problem. Long story short, it worked really well, so, I decided to cancel my Adobe CC subscription. I learned what I know about photo post processing on Adobe products, so will always respect them, just find no urgent need to support a subscription of which I am making so little use.

Thanks for the reply.

Caruso

Bill_de Loc: US

Are you sure that there was not some other reason to ban you? Seriously, I read your post twice and couldn't find a single thing that would upset anyone with a normal brain.

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johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle

I can't find anything in your reply that would lead to a ban. Treatment like that is typically why I only introduce FOSS workflows when specifically asked about DarkTable or GIMP. I honestly believe some (not all) people are threatened by what FOSS has become, and they typically defend their preferred applications like it's definitive statement on how things have to be done. At the end of the day it's how you use software, not what you use.

Carusoswi

That thread (and apparently much of the discussion regarding imaging software techniques/applications) is dominated by one poster, himself a moderator. In threads such as this, no one who even mildly expresses openness to FOSS or, in reality, anything other than Adobe, gets shouted down. He is a moderator, and, apparently, one who wields a lot of influence on the site. I have received emails from those sympathizing my view in this and one other similar thread who will not engage in the forum with this poster. I am fine, have this and other fora from which I can draw valuable information, however, I grow weary of those who, likely, have never spent enough time with FOSS offerings to even grasp their capability constantly putting them down.
I don't consider myself a fanboy for FOSS, as I have long used proprietary applications when I felt they benefited my workflow. In this thread, the OP specifically expressed his interest to dual boot and asked for opinions regarding Gimp or other editing applications (even PS) that would run on the Linux side of his setup. I took especially strong exception to a post which expressed suspicion of one poster who simply expressed his preference for Gimp and another describing those professessing such a preference as a FOSS evangelists, IMHO, very inappropriate coming from a moderator of the forum.
My interaction on this forum is very limited, probably no more that four or five posts. I consider it a good source of information, and, for that, regret being banned. On the other hand, there are any number of other fora, including this one, where I can obtain equally helpful information absent the skin-wrinkling presence of non-helpful, agenda-focused attitudes as displayed in this forum.
I made a special effort to modulate my response and avoid making it personal. Didn't work.
Thanks for all the replies.
Caruso

Grahame Loc: Fiji

"That thread ................. is dominated by one poster", really?

The thread you refer to was started on the 4th Feb 2011.

It has just 35 postings of which the "poster" (moderator) you refer to made just 3 posts.

Your post was the only one in that thread made by you which was #35, with nothing after it.

What else are you exaggerating, and/or not mentioning?

Carusoswi

I guess you are right to call out my statement that the thread is not actually dominated by one poster. But I did take exception to his treatment of other posters who merely expressing a preference for open source applications, calling them evangelists, stating most all open source applications suffer in that they do not have adequate sources for information, tutorials, etc., expressing suspicion of one poster for his/her preference, noting that he/she has not posted the results of his/her work with open source software. The term evangelists as he used it I found offensive, and I mentioned all of this in my reply.
I have probably less than a half dozen posts on that forum, so there is nothing else that I am exaggerating or not mentioning.
I appreciate the input here. That forum is history for me. I am over it.
Thanks.
Caruso

johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle

You will always have those few that do not accept there are other ways to post process or edit files. I tend to just ignore that small majority of the online population and only discuss differences in workflows with those that have their way, but like to learn how others perform the same functions that they do.

At the end of the day, I'm happy with FOSS and what it provides and try help others that want to learn or express an interest in it while disregarding the negative chaff that may arise.

Grahame Loc: Fiji

I find that when people do not tell the truth it makes me wonder what their motives really are.



I somehow suspect your ban, had little to do with your views on the subject but more your attitude and repeated insistence that others who do not agree with you are 'Bashing' it. I'm sure you can recall that thread as well, it ended with a personal shouted attack, "WHY ARE YOU SO INTENT UPON BASHING OPEN SOURCE?"

Some forums allow that sort of attitude, some don't.

Carusoswi

I asked in this thread for you to respond with your thoughts, and certainly welcome your reply. You've read that thread, and, if you are honest, the moderator was overbearing there. I wasn't banned for that thread, although I was criticized. I was much more careful in this latest thread. I also received private email from others on the forum in response to the first thread who tell me they avoid interaction with this moderator because of his overbearing attitude. But you are right, some forums allow discourse, others don't, especially when the proponent of one view is an overbearing moderator. As mentioned in my previous post here, I am over it. I will adopt the better approach suggested by others. I will also continue to use all my applications, and continue to lament that, whenever a relative newcomer asked for advice concerning open source applications, he/she is assaulted by posters with "you get what you pay for" attitudes.
Thanks for your response.
Caruso