tonyjag Loc: Bolton, Ma.

Faced with over 10K pix from our recent Antarctica voyage, i decided it is time to move on from good-old Aperture, abandoned by Apple even though it is a 64-bit app. I installed LRClassic 9 on my mid-2014 MacBookPro (OS 10.14.3) and have 3 days left of the 7-day trial. I am getting used to LR and, with help from many YouTube tutorials and posts here on UHH, have found how to do most of the operations as in Aperture. They are different, but mostly equivalent.

The only major problem so far is that LR would crash immediately upon selecting the MAP module. With some very competent on-line help from Adobe, it turned out to be the NVIDIA graphics hardware, so that is now disabled when running LR. Is that going to slow things down much? How long before Adobe fixes this bug?

Here are a few other shortcomings noticed so far:
1. There seems to be no "List" view as in the Aperture Browser.
2. When publishing to Flickr, it seems that you can only put images into the photostream, while Aperture lets you put them in any existing Flickr album or create a new one.
3. LR accepts .mov files, but there seems to be no way to edit them in any way. Aperture allows you to trim movies, often all that is needed.
4. Lift and Stamp is possible in LR, but clunky.
5. There does not appear to be a "Stacks" capability as in Aperture, but I haven't used that in years.
6. The Loupe in LR seems to have much less zoom range than the round one in Aperture.

Any observations, work arounds, or advice will be much appreciated. Thanks and Happy New Year.

DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area

Not being an aperture user, can you clarify for me what "Stacks" are? Lightroom has the ability to stack photos, but perhaps we're not talking about the same thing.

Again, I'm not an Aperture user, but I think the Painter Tool (spray can) on the Toolbar in the Grid view is comparable to Lift and Stamp.

There is a control next to the Navigator window which allow you to change the Loupe zoom amount. You can choose it to be 1:16 all the way up to 11:1.

tonyjag Loc: Bolton, Ma.

Thanks. Here is a short youtube on Aperture Stacks:
https://youtu.be/t18dRKU7kb8

You are right, LR has a similar "stack" function in the Photos menu. I found some controls for it in a long list of keyboard shortcuts.

I see the spray can and will try it out. I tried the Loupe zoom, as you suggested.

A new question: In Aperture, you can click on an image with "M", to see the original minus any edits. In LR, you can do that via the history panel or the compare function, but is there anything like the click "M" function to get a quick idea of what you have done to the image? I didn't find it in the list of shortcuts.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

In the Develop module, simply use the back-slash key ( \ ) to toggle between the 'before' and 'after' version of the image.

Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.

I make use of a plugin from Jeffery Friedl that enables all kinds of nifty flicker stuff - I can upload to the photostream, or any album I like - well worth the donationware cost;)

http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/flickr

He has many plugins for Lightroom - lots of handy stuff.

Stacks.... I don't remember stacks in Aperture, but Lightroom has the ability to stack a bunch of images together so they remain grouped, the stacks can be closed, showing only the top image, or opened showing each image .

Loupe - Lightroom will zoom or unzoom from 1:16 to 11:1, select the drop down with your mouse. The little up/down arrows are the zoom controls...

Lift & Stamp - Being a parametric editor, Lightroom has some limitations for local adjustment, which is why it works well using Photoshop as a pixel editor. Lightroom can do some minor clean up using the spot removal tool, but for medium/heavy duty object removal, shoot over to a pixel editor like Photoshop that does not bog down for that type of adjustment.

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DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area

To create a stack, in the Grid view, highlight several files, then right-click and select Stacking > Group Into Stack.

tonyjag Loc: Bolton, Ma.

Thanks,
But the 'before' seems to ignore rotation and cropping.

Dalek Loc: Detroit, Miami, Goffstown

Aperture is still working on my iMac. Too bad it was abandoned. When it dies I will look to something else.

tonyjag Loc: Bolton, Ma.

Yep. Aperture 3.6 works on my mid-2014 15" MacBookPro (OS 10.14.3) except for an occasional crash it and does not accept .nef files from D7500. When I get a new 16" MacBook pro, I plan to keep that laptop, and not upgrade its OS, just to run Aperture on the tens of thousands of images I have accumulated, if necessary.

Abandoning Aperture is one of the most disruptive things Apple has done, IMHO. They also let go of Airport/Time Capsule and many laptop hardware features that were once discriminators, e.g.:
- Battery check (row of tiny LEDs)
- Oscillating sleep indicator
- Mag Safe Power connector with charge indicator
- SD card slot
- Illuminated Apple behind screen
- Expansion

tonyjag Loc: Bolton, Ma.

I just ended a chat with Adobe, who confirmed that

1. There is no "List" view as in the Aperture Browser.
2. When publishing to Flickr, you can only put images into the photostream, while Aperture lets you put them in any existing Flickr album or create a new one.
3. LR accepts .mov files, but there is no way to edit them in any way. Aperture allows you to trim movies, often all that is needed.

Nor are there any plug-ins or anything in development, but there might be 3rd-party solutions (e.g. as suggested by Dngallagher ..BTW, thanks for that!)

During the chat, it appeared that the price will be going up from $9.99 to $14.29/month, but i could still get it at $9.99...but for how long?

New Question: Do any other alternatives to LR, like
- Luminar 4
- DXO Photolab
- Alien Skin Exposure
- Capture One
- Blue Marine
- ON1 Photo Raw
- Photoscape X
- Raw Therapee,
have decent DAM capability and can handle these functions?

via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP

Click on Y in the Develop Module.

BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA

Apple is not going top offer support for any older OS. For the most part they have abandoned NVIDIA.

IMHO it is time to upgrade your hardware.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

A Mid-2014 MacBook Pro can run Mojave or Catalina, and whatever came on it. Our 2012 and 2013 machines will do the same.

NVIDIA most likely isn’t an issue, since Adobe supports Metal.

Aperture is ancient history, however.

Using Affinity Photo as an Apple Photos plugin is one way to replace Aperture. The Adobe Photography Bundle is better.

The most unfortunate thing Aperture users do is try to make any other tool (i.e.; Lightroom Classic) do what it did.

Use the new environment the way it works best, and you’ll realize a large part of why Apple gave up on Aperture.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

1. There seems to be no "List" view as in the Aperture Browser.

Yeah, a list would be nice. But you get used to working without one.

2. When publishing to Flickr, it seems that you can only put images into the photostream, while Aperture lets you put them in any existing Flickr album or create a new one.

Adobe wants you to use THEIR cloud service, via the WEB menu. So this is unlikely to change. But you can export a folder full of images and upload to Flickr or another site in the usual manner.

3. LR accepts .mov files, but there seems to be no way to edit them in any way. Aperture allows you to trim movies, often all that is needed.

I strongly recommend you use iMovie for video editing. It is very powerful now, yet still really easy to learn and to use. If you get hooked on video, everything you learn about iMovie works the same way in Final Cut Pro X, a pro-grade editor.

Adobe Premiere Pro is their video solution. It runs great on PCs, but not so well on older Macs. So I use Final Cut Pro X, which SCREAMS on Apple hardware. I like its workflow a lot more, too.

4. Lift and Stamp is possible in LR, but clunky.

Lightroom *Classic* CC comes with the full version of Photoshop 2020 CC (plus Bridge and Lightroom CC, the formerly Mobile version, now on steroids). Photoshop is where all the lift and stamp functions are... It has a superset of pixel editing tools.

5. There does not appear to be a "Stacks" capability as in Aperture, but I haven't used that in years.

If it's not in LR, try PS. PS handles masks, layers, stacks, and can do panoramas better than LR.

6. The Loupe in LR seems to have much less zoom range than the round one in Aperture.

Mine goes to 100% and that's it. I don't need more than 100% or fit to screen. But if I do, I use Photoshop.

ANY 64-bit graphics application (compatible with Catalina, if that's your OS) can be linked into Lightroom Classic as if it were a plugin. Go to Preferences —> External Editing to set it up.

If you have lots of color negatives to convert to digital, take a look at the Lightroom 6/Lightroom Classic plug-in, Negative Lab Pro. It puts pro-grade conversion into Lightroom. Macro photograph the negative, and activate NLP once it's in LR. NLP will give you a conversion that looks very close to perfect on the first try (with most B&W and color films).

jrm21

Movie files: I suggest you find a different piece of software for that. LR really falls short. QuickTime Player may work, depending on your needs. These is also iMovie (included with your Mac) and DaVinci Resolve (free version. More complicated if that’s what you need).

Stacks: You seem to have found that. I liked Aperture stacks better than LR, but it is what it is.

Stamp: LR has a very good copy/paste attributes function. Look into that more. To apply settings to multiple photos at once, look into the “sync” button.