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Dec 5, 2019 10:12:36   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Lucky!

Good video -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0CLPTd6Bds&feature=youtu.be

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Dec 5, 2019 10:16:40   #
Howard5252 Loc: New York / Florida (now)
 
I don't consider the filter as protection from a violent force; to me it is there simply to keep the front element as clean as the day I bought the camera.

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Dec 5, 2019 10:28:30   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
I don't see how a filter is protecting anything from impact; that thing is so thin, you can practically push your thumb through it - unlike the front element, which is a very thick piece of glass and requires an immense amount of force to crack. The fact that both the lens cap and front element are undamaged while the filter is completely shattered goes to show just how fragile and useless the filter was as a means of protection. If anything, the lens cap was the real hero in this case, not the filter. Obviously, there are situations when a filter can be useful for protection, such as shooting in a sand storm. However, it doesn't really protect from violent knocks to the lens. Caps and hoods do a far superior job.

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Dec 5, 2019 10:34:54   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
tomcat wrote:
This topic has been kicked around many times in the past year, so I thought I'd add a visual to the discussion. For those folks who still are reluctant to use a filter on the front of their lenses, here is a shot of the remains of the filter. This was attached to my 85mm lens that took a direct hit when I dropped my camera bag last night. I cannot pry the lens cap out of the filter and I don't plan to anyway because it's probably full of tiny glass shards. The front element in the lens did not get damaged, but is full of tiny glass shards that I cannot remove with a blower or soft brush. So off to Nikon it went today. The filter is a clear glass filter to avoid any color distortion. I have been a firm believer in the clear glass filters from Nikon for many years since one of my lenses hit the corner of a guard rail and shattered. Even having the filter cap attached did not save the filter.

PS, the camera bag is headed for the trash dump.
This topic has been kicked around many times in th... (show quote)


I have several camera bags and have NEVER had an issue with protection. I do not buy your story at all. Sorry.

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Dec 5, 2019 10:38:12   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Be more careful with your gear and you will never need a filter for "protection."

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Dec 5, 2019 10:45:59   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Howard5252 wrote:
I don't consider the filter as protection from a violent force; to me it is there simply to keep the front element as clean as the day I bought the camera.


I agree.

When I got into digital photography my lenses got bigger and more expensive. I had never used filters before but the store recommended one so I got a clear glass filter. I used it for a while but when I went to put a circular polarizer on the lens it started to show vignetting. So I took off the clear glass filter and left it off.

I have never dropped my camera but once it was on a tripod and the wind blew it over. It hit the ground lens first. The lens hood took the impact and there was no lens damage. I keep the lens hood on. When I shoot events the camera does occasionally bump into things or people. The lens hood provides the protection.

I consider using the clear glass (or CPL) filter when I'm a hostile environment such as salt spray, blowing sand, freezing mud, or various noxious substances common to the farm being thrown around. Other than that I leave it off.

I consider that the choice is yours. I have made mine.

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Dec 5, 2019 10:55:51   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
... I do not use a filter as protection. I do not see the point at all. Filter have their place but not as 'protection'. ...

The filter will not protect the lens from direct impact damage but a lens hood would provide some protection.

The filter protects the front surface of the lens from you when you have to clean off dust, rain, fingerprints, etc. it’s cheaper to replace the scratched filter than the front element.

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Dec 5, 2019 11:30:52   #
saxman71 Loc: Wenatchee
 
Filters should only be used when required to get the shot (circular polarizer, ND filter, etc.). Lens hoods, on the other hand, should be used at all times.

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Dec 5, 2019 11:47:39   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Rongnongno wrote:
I have been using cameras since... 1977 on almost a daily basis.

The only time I broke a lens, it was in a car accident.

I do not use a filter as protection. I do not see the point at all. Filter have their place but not as 'protection'. If anything a good insurance is the best 'filter'. The insurance paid for the 180mm fixed onto my RB67.

Also there is one guy who made tests breaking lenses with and without filter. Results? They were no protection at all as the shocks were able to shift elements inside the lens.

So... to 'protection filters'.
I have been using cameras since... 1977 on almost... (show quote)


Apparently you did not read the OP's thread, you know the one we are now on, where he pointed out with a photo exactly the opposite of what you are talking about.

Dennis

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Dec 5, 2019 11:51:21   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
f8lee wrote:
Well,here we go again....it's funny how the myth persists.

Individual anecdotes like the OP's aside, the fact remains that @mas24's comment is generally true (for all but the oldest lenses) and the reason anyone "believes" adding more glass in front of the lens makes sense is thanks to camera stores pushing a highly profitable item (the filter) onto a customer who purchases a far lower profit item (the lens).

Back in the day, local stores (like one I managed in New Orleans in the '70's) knew they had to match the mail order prices of places like 47th St Photo or Willoughby-Peerless, et al. So the $500 lens (which might have had a MSRP of $600) provided only a $20 profit to the store when the price was matched. But that filter sold for $20 had a $10 profit - so of course the push was made to convince the victim, er, customer, that they needed to protect that valuable lens for which they were spending $500!

So nervous nellies the world over have become convinced that clear filters are in some way needed. Well, it's their money. Lens hoods offer protection and are included with the lens anyway, and are cheap to relace on the rare occasion when one bumps into a wall.

The only time it makes sense to use a clear fulter for "protection" is in situations where actual stuff may be sprayed onto the front of the lens, like sea spray (when shooting on a windy day at the beach perhaps) or dirt and mud (when taking shots at the side of a motocross race), etc.

But why I just wasted time writing this is a mysery to me; it's like convincing flat earthers that they are wrong.
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And then there are those lenses that we all see on ebay or used in camera shops that have been cleaned so many times that there are rub marks on the glass. Personally I would rather clean a filter then keep cleaning the glass of an expensive lens. But of course that is my choice and you have outlined your choice.

Have a wonderful day,

Dennis

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Dec 5, 2019 11:58:16   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
dennis2146 wrote:
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Bah, you are not paying attention to what anyone says, ref. your answer to me and someone else.

Filter or no filter?
Op and a few others: Yes
Me and other folks: No.

You just want to see your prose on record.

So be it, enjoy.

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Dec 5, 2019 12:05:20   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
Have you noticed that there are a few personal preference topics, like this one, that pop up every few weeks and end up covering 7 to maybe 10 pages without changing anybody's mind. What is it that makes us want to post even though we know it's a useless endeavor? Anyway, be nice to each other, it's the Christmas season.

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Dec 5, 2019 12:26:36   #
tomcat
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Life as a photographer is either a daring adventure or a life where a hood is good enough.


I don't know dude,,,, there are some hoods that I wouldn't want to use or go in to.....

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Dec 5, 2019 12:29:17   #
tomcat
 
Strodav wrote:
Have you noticed that there are a few personal preference topics, like this one, that pop up every few weeks and end up covering 7 to maybe 10 pages without changing anybody's mind. What is it that makes us want to post even though we know it's a useless endeavor? Anyway, be nice to each other, it's the Christmas season.


I'm the OP and I posted it because there are some folks, especially newbies, that may be sitting on the fence and wondering. A picture of a broken filter is worth a thousand pieces,,,,so they say....... With me, usually a visual is better than an oral......

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Dec 5, 2019 12:29:20   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
tomcat wrote:
I don't know dude,,,, there are some hoods that I wouldn't want to use or go in to.....



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