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Dec 4, 2019 17:51:35 #
EyeSawYou wrote:
Do you believe that life originated from non living material and if you do, do you base that belief on proof?
Just about everyone agrees man was fashioned out of a lump of mud.
Creation of man from clay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_of_man_from_clay
Dec 4, 2019 21:54:53 #
bull drink water wrote:
if they made up the creation account, how much more did they make up?
They made up all of it.
Dec 4, 2019 22:06:23 #
Frank T wrote:
How true. We should live our lives fearing the retribution of the invisible man.
That way you can spend your life in hell, even before you die.
That way you can spend your life in hell, even before you die.
I’m not living my life in fear at all.
That’s what you don’t understand, it’s living right or trying to live as
right as I can to the Nestor my ability. Not stealing k*****g whoring around.
That kind of stuff
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Dec 4, 2019 22:12:12 #
thom w wrote:
I’m not arguing against you believing. I am agains... (show quote)
It’s fine I honor that. What I admire and appreciate is that you are respectful.
You saw the video and I’m going to say what works for me. When we die and not
if and eternity is real. Would you really want to spend it with the flawed condition of mankind as it is?
We live a brief time we die and that’s it really?
If there is a creation there must be a creator?
Dec 4, 2019 22:32:14 #
thom w
Loc: San Jose, CA
boberic wrote:
Without sAying it, you are skating around the Null Hypothesis, which states- "You can not disprove a negative" Example- You can't disprove, if I drop something it will not fall. You can prove it will but you can't prove it won't. In other words. I can't prove that a god does not exist. That doesn't mean he/she/it does exist, only that I can't prove he/she/it doesent
I wasn't trying to prove anything, or force him to prove anything. He believes in the god of the bible, I don't. Big deal. I was simply pointing out the problem with his "insurance" narrative. By the way, if I prove that if you drop something it will fall, I have disproven that if you drop something it will not fall. I think you kind of confused yourself. I have no reason to cause Soba either to believe or not believe. If someone has religious beliefs and those beliefs aren't causing them to harm or disrespect another, why should I care.
Dec 4, 2019 22:51:35 #
I believe that if there is a Creator he created matter out of protons, neutrons, electrons, muons, quarks, hadrons and a whole bunch of things we do not yet understand. The Creator gave those components properties for interaction/connection, much like a gigantic Lego set. We humans are just a few of the things you can create with this Lego set.
Now, given the age and size of the universe, we don't even have to suggest that humans, animals, or even life itself was created by the Creator; probability alone could account for the right bits and pieces coming together spontaneously, and here we are communicating on UHH.
Now, given the age and size of the universe, we don't even have to suggest that humans, animals, or even life itself was created by the Creator; probability alone could account for the right bits and pieces coming together spontaneously, and here we are communicating on UHH.
Dec 5, 2019 09:17:00 #
JohnFrim wrote:
I believe that if there is a Creator he created ma... (show quote)
I can agree with your first paragraph.
But have you seen something as complex as a car circuit board etc. appear
out of nothing?
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Dec 5, 2019 09:27:08 #
soba1 wrote:
I can agree with your first paragraph.
But have you seen something as complex as a car circuit board etc. appear
out of nothing?
But have you seen something as complex as a car circuit board etc. appear
out of nothing?
The second paragraph idea is not mine; it comes from a cosmologist. His notion is that the universe is SO BIG and SO OLD that almost any probability, no matter how small, has probably happened.
Dec 5, 2019 09:35:18 #
JohnFrim wrote:
The second paragraph idea is not mine; it comes from a cosmologist. His notion is that the universe is SO BIG and SO OLD that almost any probability, no matter how small, has probably happened.
Thanks for the clarification
Dec 5, 2019 09:59:53 #
EyeSawYou wrote:
Do you believe that life originated from non living material and if you do, do you base that belief on proof?
There is also the theory (Maybe Hypothesis) that life arrived on earth from an extra terrestrial source. But utill there is proof I hold disbelief There are things we knoe, things that we don't know. But what about things that we don't know that we don't know .It is possible that life did in fact arise from non living sources. Amino acids are the building blocks of all living things. They are not alive and can be created in the lab. So it is possible that if combined in such a manner life may occur. But again untill there is proof I hold disbelief. For that matterb can you actually define exactly what life is? But there is proof that there is, so I belive tghat life exists. (Except for radical l*****ts, as there no living things there) My sincere apologies- I just couldn't resist
Dec 5, 2019 11:15:34 #
Harry0
Loc: Gardena, Cal
Read the bible.
Most of these "hells" are fabrications by religious whackos trying to fill their donation plates.
Accordingly, good people who are true believers may have their spirits ascend. Bad people- don't.
There's no mansions on golden streets inhabited by choir singers.
And there's no pits of burning sulfur inhabited by goatmen with pitchforks.
All of that was made up to appeal to Man's baser values, and keep the Church in control.
Most of these "hells" are fabrications by religious whackos trying to fill their donation plates.
Accordingly, good people who are true believers may have their spirits ascend. Bad people- don't.
There's no mansions on golden streets inhabited by choir singers.
And there's no pits of burning sulfur inhabited by goatmen with pitchforks.
All of that was made up to appeal to Man's baser values, and keep the Church in control.
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Dec 5, 2019 11:27:30 #
Harry0 wrote:
Read the bible.
Most of these "hells" are fabrications by religious whackos trying to fill their donation plates.
Accordingly, good people who are true believers may have their spirits ascend. Bad people- don't.
There's no mansions on golden streets inhabited by choir singers.
And there's no pits of burning sulfur inhabited by goatmen with pitchforks.
All of that was made up to appeal to Man's baser values, and keep the Church in control.
Most of these "hells" are fabrications by religious whackos trying to fill their donation plates.
Accordingly, good people who are true believers may have their spirits ascend. Bad people- don't.
There's no mansions on golden streets inhabited by choir singers.
And there's no pits of burning sulfur inhabited by goatmen with pitchforks.
All of that was made up to appeal to Man's baser values, and keep the Church in control.
Jesus made plenty of reference to a place of torment.
Its just that most choose to follow and believe in this soft Jesus.
Yes Jesus was loving and compassionate, but He also said following Him
comes with a cost. He also kicked butt and took names when the money changers
were disrespecting the temple.
Are there those who abuse the word of God the Bible of course. That's why the Bible itself
encourages believers to read and study for themselves.
Dec 5, 2019 11:41:31 #
soba1 wrote:
Jesus made plenty of reference to a place of torment.
Its just that most choose to follow and believe in this soft Jesus.
Yes Jesus was loving and compassionate, but He also said following Him
comes with a cost. He also kicked butt and took names when the money changers
were disrespecting the temple.
Are there those who abuse the word of God the Bible of course. That's why the Bible itself
encourages believers to read and study for themselves.
Its just that most choose to follow and believe in this soft Jesus.
Yes Jesus was loving and compassionate, but He also said following Him
comes with a cost. He also kicked butt and took names when the money changers
were disrespecting the temple.
Are there those who abuse the word of God the Bible of course. That's why the Bible itself
encourages believers to read and study for themselves.
T***h is that no one really knows what jesus said or did not say. THe King James bible was wriiten some 700 years after jesus died. Those 700 years is a very longtime to accurately write avword of mouth history. Not only that, but m uch of the things from 1300 years ago can be explained by modern knowledge, not by ancient myth. The rise from jesus death is easily understood by modern cardiology
Dec 5, 2019 15:23:57 #
boberic wrote:
T***h is that no one really knows what jesus said or did not say. THe King James bible was wriiten some 700 years after jesus died. Those 700 years is a very longtime to accurately write avword of mouth history. Not only that, but m uch of the things from 1300 years ago can be explained by modern knowledge, not by ancient myth. The rise from jesus death is easily understood by modern cardiology
How long the Bible was written after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/stewart_don/faq/historical-accuracy-of-the-bible/question10-when-were-the-gospels-written.cfm
https://evidenceforchristianity.org/gospeldates/
The amount of ancient manuscripts found. I believe more than any other ancient text.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_manuscript
May I recommend a movie in your leisure.
A Case For Christ
If you care you might find some interesting tidbits.
Dec 5, 2019 15:32:47 #
Life allegedly began ca. 4 billion years ago. By that time, there was sufficient mass of amino acids, which created the enzymes/proteins which form life. Just how that chemical reaction occurred is still anyone's guess. Were there simple electrical impulses, electro-chemical reactions? It was probably a singular cell, since that would have been the "easiest" way to react to a catalyst igniting life.
However, I don't believe it was a singular event, instead happening any number of times in numerous combinations simultaneously until critical mass was reached. The DNA combinations formed were likely not all viable; i.e. they couldn't reproduce. Were they oceanic events, or in some primordial mud? Again, it's anyone's guess.
It's difficult for people today to understand the time expanse involved, let alone the geographic one.
However, I don't believe it was a singular event, instead happening any number of times in numerous combinations simultaneously until critical mass was reached. The DNA combinations formed were likely not all viable; i.e. they couldn't reproduce. Were they oceanic events, or in some primordial mud? Again, it's anyone's guess.
It's difficult for people today to understand the time expanse involved, let alone the geographic one.
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