JW S

I Googled the title of this Post and I read many of the postings and in my opinion, very few made a strong case for the EOS R over the RP.


I'd like to hear from people who studied both cameras and picked one over the other and the Lens Option they selected.


I am of the opinion that the RF 24-240mm f/4-6.3 IS USM is a pretty good lens. And since I already have an EF-24-105 F/4.0 ..... I am leaning toward simplifying my bag with the 24-240.

From what I have read, the EOS R is basically the 5D mk iv whereas the EOS RP is the 6D Mk ii. They present that case for a few reasons but where the major difference lies between the RP and the 6Dii is the Auto Focus System of the 6Dii is basically a compressed focus system ripped from the 80D. (shame- shame Canon)


I'm having a tough time finding the differences between the two cameras ............. I'd love to hear debate on this subject and also on the additional $200 drop when bundling the RP with the 24-240.

Pricing is based on B & H - December 1st, 2019.
B&H - EOS R
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1433710-REG/canon_eos_r_mirrorless_digital.html

B&H - EOS RP
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1459282-REG/canon_eos_rp_mirrorless_digital.html

Body Alone
$1,800 R
$1,000 RP
......$800 difference

Both with the RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM
$2.700 R
$1,900 RP
......$800 difference

Both with the new RF 24-240mm f/4-6.3 IS USM
$2,500 R
$1,500 RP
..... $1,000 difference


I did read Ken Rockwell's comparison in more detail than the others. One thing he mentioned is that the RP can not "Limit ranges of shutter and aperture settings" I'm not exactly sure what this is in reference to, but I LIKE being able to keep my shutter speed from dropping too low when using an auto mode and a flash. But I am not sure if this is what he is referencing or not.


Thanks in advance for your comments and input. .... I am heavily invested in Canon glass so bouncing to a different platform is out of the question or I would be waiting for the next big Sony release.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Good that you've read Rockwell's write-up. Note his comment at the top of his EOS RP review: World's Best Mirrorless Camera

Your note about not setting limits on the speed and aperture means, possibly, you want to pay a $1000 premium for one feature (and more pixel resolution) that you can handle yourself in your shooting technique, while foregoing all the other improvements of the RP vs R.

Neither camera is perfect. If you wanted perfection in an EOS body, you'd go with the EOS 5DIV and forgo the mirrorless change until a later model. The R-mount lenses are visually better and the EVF capabilities are superior for shooting, minus fast action sports and similar. Your post focuses on price and technical attributes. For a single body and lens platform, your idea of an RP paired with the 24-240 is a valid approach, particularly with other EF lenses available. Consider selling off some of the old EF lenses and the RP savings for some exciting RF lenses like the 15-35 or RF 50 f/1.2L.

philo Loc: philo, ca

I have studied both and would order the R over the Rp. I look at the p as a baby R. I have a 5d 4 and not sure how much better the R would be. The one feature that I would love to have is the movable screen. It's a little lighter in weight.
You can go to the Canon store and get a refurbished r for $1620. the kicker is that i would want the control ring which is $199 and you can get the R with the standard ring for $1800 at B&h, Amazon and others. Hunt's was offering it at the same price plus a $200 in house coupon.

JW S

This is a general reply to both Chg_Canon and philo ... Plus more observation I've had today from a direct message.....

I missed Ken Rockwell's comment about worlds best. By the way ... he also recommended the 6D over the 5dMkiii ... I bought the 6D partly because of his review. But he missed a huge factor with the 6D. The single Cross Type focus point is a significant issue for anyone shooting predominately in "portrait" mode as opposed to shooting landscape mode. This rings in my head when he says "who cares, don't need it" or some such language in regards to the speed and aperture limits. (a question I will pose to Canon Tech Support tomorrow)

Hopefully the next camera I buy will be my last. I'm faced with a big repair to my 6D or I will replace it ... $1,500 for the RP combo is easier to justify against a possible $600 repair than is $2500 for the R... Plus Philo is right ... the $200 adapter ring is the wise choice over the less expensive $100 one... So now I am looking at $1,700.

Could I justify selling the 70-200 f2.8 ..(less than a 1,000 clicks I bet) and going with the 24-240 instead? Hard to say... doubtful

Will I someday wish I had the greater Resolution offered by the R?

Will I wish I had sucked it up and waited three years for the next big thing??

And/or I'm I better off bouncing over to the 5D mk iv?? but here, I'm back to my cost/value argument.

Thanks for the input!!!

bleirer

I own the RP and like it a lot. I paid $1300 so that is a good deal. The rf 24-105 Is great, but a heavyweight monster compared to the tiny RP. I use the optional grip extension to fit my hands better. The all-way articulating screen is great! But if I were buying now I would wait to see what the new R offers, rumor sites guessing it will be announced February 2020, and how it is priced. Supposedly 60 megapixels and maybe IBIS. The R does seem to have better dynamic range than the RP, check out the photons to photons chart.

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JW S

Thank you Bleirer!! good info!!

miked46 Loc: Winter Springs, Florida

I already have an 80D and M50. The M50 is awesome for video, so I'm leaning towards the EOS RP as my 80D replacement. I have no need for 4K, so my choice is the RP w/24-240mm

Jimmy T Loc: Virginia

I agree 100% with CHG_CANON on ALL counts.
I have the Canon RP w/24-105 F4L
I also have the Canon 5DIV and two other "L" lenses.

Since glass means the most to me I purchased the RP with the thought of trading the RP in when a "pro model" Canon mirrorless body comes out.
I can't tell you how pleased I am with the RP body.

Full disclosure: I shoot people, scenics, and use for travel. No sports because of the slow rate of fire, however, it does 98% of what I need it to do even with the w/24-105 F4L lens.
This lens does amazingly well in low light. When I leave the house I go out with the RP/lens, flash, and spare batteries; one for the camera and one set for the flash.
When I start out with fresh batteries I have NEVER had to change them out. I just carry battery spares for insurance. Yes, I would buy the Canon RP w/24-105 F4L lens again.
Finally, I agree with 98% of what Ken Rockwell has to say about the Canon RP, and not just because I own one.
Finally number 2 (grin) you have to do your own research and do what is best for you. Enjoy your (re)search and happy shooting!
Smile,
JimmyT Sends

bleirer

The RP is 4k video, but I believe crop mode only for 4k, not full frame.

philo Loc: philo, ca

if video is not something that you use.........which would you pick?

Zooman 1

I only have the 'R', so can't comment on comparing with the 'RB'. But, I also have the 80D and 7D M II. As of now I seldom use the 80D, use the 7D M II some of the time, but do 90% of what I shoot wiith the 'R'. Really like it and the full frame images. I have the 24-105 and the 24-240mm. Also the R adaptor for a wide range of Canon lenses. All said, I do wonder if I should have waited for the RB. My photography is almost 100% nature and animal subjects.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

There are numerous review and comparison resources online (I always take Rockwell with a grain of salt)...

One thing that few mention is that the EOS R can optionally be fitted with a BG-E22 grip, doubling it's battery capacity and adding secondary controls.

The RP cannot... there's no battery/vertical grip made for it and it doesn't have the electronic contacts necessary for one, anyway. There is an "extension grip" available for the RP, but it doesn't provide any add'l battery capacity. Nor does it provide secondary/vertical controls (the way the BG-E22 does on the EOS R). The RP's "grip" merely increases the size of the camera for people who find it "too small" to be comfortable.

Added battery capacity may be more important with a mirrorless than with DSLRs, because mirrorless get far less shots per charge. The R and RP use the same LP-E6N batteries as many of the DSLRs (90D, 7DII, 6DII, 5DIV and more). But the DSLRs typically get 2X to 3X as many shots per battery charge. This is because the mirrorless cameras use an electronic viewfinder, while the DSLRs use an optical one that draws far less power. In a sense, using a mirrorless with an EVF is somewhat like using a DSLR in Live View continuously.

Of course, not everyone needs a camera that can take a large number of images per battery charge. Even so, folks who take a lot of vertical/portrait orientation shots might appreciate the vertical grip for that purpose, too... and between the two Canon, they would want the EOS R. On the other hand, if someone's main purpose for wanting a mirrorless camera is smaller size, lighter weight... they don't need the added battery capacity or the vertical grip and controls... the EOS RP may be the better choice.

Besides this... in very general terms the EOS RP is sort of like a 6D Mark II in specifications... while the EOS R is sort of like the 5D Mark IV.

More comparisons... similarities and differences:

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-R-vs-Canon-EOS-RP
https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/canon-vs-canon/eos-r-vs-eos-rp/
https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/preview/canon-eos-r-vs-eos-rp/
https://www.techradar.com/news/canon-eos-r-vs-eos-rp-10-key-differences-you-need-to-know
https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/buying-guides/canon-eos-rp-vs-eos-r

philo Loc: philo, ca

After all is said and done........i think i will stay with my 4; until i have another senior moment.

AntonioReyna Loc: Los Angeles, California

Here in Seattle, last week, the RP with the 24-240 lens and the EF adapter was on sale for $1,299. I plan on buying the RF as I did not like the layout of the R.