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Dec 1, 2019 10:52:48   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
jtwind wrote:
For me the advantage is having live view in the viewfinder! That changes everything!


Yep, I’ve been completely spoiled by being able to dial in EC and see exactly what I need.

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Dec 1, 2019 10:57:21   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
bsprague wrote:
"We heard how mirrorless was to be smaller and lighter."

Yes, but you left out that the smaller, lighter part was leveraged by Olympus, Panasonic and others.

Bigger mirrorless cameras have larger sensors and the advantages that come with those. But they are bigger and heavier.

The point of mirrorless designs I think it the other advantages. For example, they can be silent! What are the other real advantages of mirrorless?


EVF...

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Dec 1, 2019 10:59:19   #
whitehall Loc: Canada
 
jtwind wrote:
For me the advantage is having live view in the viewfinder! That changes everything!


Makes sense, thanks. For now I will stay with the 5D mkiv

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Dec 1, 2019 11:01:06   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
JD750 wrote:
Here is another comparison. Approximately the same lenses, equivalent focal length and speed.
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IQ???

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Dec 1, 2019 11:04:01   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Toment wrote:
IQ???


And low light/high ISO capability?

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Dec 1, 2019 11:10:28   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Toment wrote:
IQ???


A few years ago comparing my Nikon D7000 to Panasonic DMC-G1 the Nikon D7000 had slightly better IQ. Today comparing the D750 to the OM-D, I don't notice any differences.

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Dec 1, 2019 11:37:26   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
Architect1776 wrote:
We heard how mirrorless was to be smaller and lighter.
The bodies were somewhat lighter and smaller but the same lens as a DSLR lens was the same size and weight or frequently greater.
It appears that Canon figured out how to exploit the mirrorless camera as many had hoped it would be over all substantially smaller and lighter.
The new pro model RF 70-200mm f2.8 is finally showing what can be done with a mirrorless lens designed for heavy pro use yet be a lot lighter and more compact yet better performance than the DSLR versions.
Hopefully other RF lenses will follow suite.
Here is a comparison:
Sony 70-200mm f2.8; 52.21 oz and 200mm long and 88mm diameter.
Canon RF 70-200mm f2.8; 37.76 oz and 146mm long and 89.9mm diameter.

Add this to an R camera and you finally have a truly light pro mirrorless setup.
We heard how mirrorless was to be smaller and ligh... (show quote)


All of my cameras are tools in my tool box that give me leverage & advantage and I couldn't care less about which company made it at some point. I enjoy them all for one reason or another and at the end of the day , The Journey ... was what mattered the most and what I am most fond of talking about when it's said & done. I celebrate the shot & the moment most of all and treasure the gear that got me to that place in time. Hot Damn !

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Dec 1, 2019 12:15:24   #
Hip Coyote
 
I switched to the Oly M4/3 for a variety of reasons...looking to save weight while hiking, like the small form of the camera for street shooting, the ability to have a silent shutter activation and the mirrorless aspect of the camera. I cannot over emphasize the benefit of the ability to see a representation of the exposed image through the view finder. It has allowed me to capture a few photos in very difficult circumstances that I may have missed otherwise. I use the OMD Em5mii which is tiny...so when using a small prime lens, it is like a point and shoot. Recently went to Africa, so I had heavier pro lenses on two bodies and it worked out perfectly. The silent shutter was great when we did a bush walk and came across a rhino. Our guide told us to be quiet when and if that occurred and to not shoot due to mirror flap so as to not antagonize the animal (keeping in mind we were on foot.) I showed him that feature and was free to shoot away. I blow up some photos to a 16X20 and do acceptably well in print competitions. Battery life is a pain, but I manage that with semi-frequent battery swaps and / or a battery grip when doing a long shoot.

Oly pro lenses are absolutely fantastic...but heavy. In the rhino scenario, I figured if he charged, I was going to drop the 12-100 lens on his foot causing him to fall so I could escape. The small primes weigh nothing.

Anyhoo, to each his own...satisfied with what I have for now.

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Dec 1, 2019 13:42:02   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Architect1776 wrote:
We heard how mirrorless was to be smaller and lighter.
The bodies were somewhat lighter and smaller but the same lens as a DSLR lens was the same size and weight or frequently greater.
It appears that Canon figured out how to exploit the mirrorless camera as many had hoped it would be over all substantially smaller and lighter.
The new pro model RF 70-200mm f2.8 is finally showing what can be done with a mirrorless lens designed for heavy pro use yet be a lot lighter and more compact yet better performance than the DSLR versions.
Hopefully other RF lenses will follow suite.
Here is a comparison:
Sony 70-200mm f2.8; 52.21 oz and 200mm long and 88mm diameter.
Canon RF 70-200mm f2.8; 37.76 oz and 146mm long and 89.9mm diameter.

Add this to an R camera and you finally have a truly light pro mirrorless setup.
We heard how mirrorless was to be smaller and ligh... (show quote)


Knowledge matters, weight does not, skill matters, weight does not, experience matters, weight does not.

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Dec 1, 2019 13:51:00   #
Hip Coyote
 
Weight matters in certain circumstances. Hiked over a 15k foot pass. Not the time to take a full frame camera. I got rid of every ounce I could.

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Dec 1, 2019 13:56:45   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
RWebb76 wrote:
Weight matters in certain circumstances. Hiked over a 15k foot pass. Not the time to take a full frame camera. I got rid of every ounce I could.


I doubt if there is even a handful of shooters here who could walk 15k let alone carry equipment.
Again, mirrorless has not proven to be that much lighter. Plus, the change in gear could be costly.
For those who have not made a big investment, mirrorless may be the way to go.
I own Sony mirrorless but they do not have many of the nicer features found in my D5, D850, or D500.

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Dec 1, 2019 14:52:42   #
kufengler Loc: Meridian, Idaho 83646
 
My vacation travel camera is a Canon M50 w/18-150 lens. Compared to my Nikon D7100 w/18-200 lens it's a lot smaller and lighter. I also have a Nikon D90 w/10-24 lens but mainly only use it for pictures in close quarters.
For me I find the smaller Mirrorless is just easier to carry around.

CANON M50 vs NIKON D7100
CANON M50 vs NIKON D7100...

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Dec 1, 2019 15:01:23   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
mrpentaxk5ii wrote:
Some DSLR'S such as the Pentax KP have an electronic shutter that is whisper quiet but I would say seeing exact exposure in the view finder is a big plus.


But of course 99% of UHH'ers have no idea what Pentax cameras are like. I of course do. And some sounds can be turned on or off so you can hear when even my Pentax K-5 DSLR takes a picture. It can be virtually silent!

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Dec 1, 2019 15:19:49   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
billnikon wrote:
Knowledge matters, weight does not, skill matters, weight does not, experience matters, weight does not.


Then why for the last 5 years has weight been such an issue in this forum?

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Dec 1, 2019 15:20:37   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
RWebb76 wrote:
Weight matters in certain circumstances. Hiked over a 15k foot pass. Not the time to take a full frame camera. I got rid of every ounce I could.


How did they do wet plates in the day (from mountain tops)?

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