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Nov 21, 2019 08:13:18   #
LarryFitz Loc: Beacon NY
 
scubadoc wrote:
Following. I’m trying to learn from others who are using the program.


You can also use TIFF.

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Nov 21, 2019 08:53:57   #
Bogin Bob Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida
 
I am excited about the upgrade offered with Luminar 4 and now I will spend some time to learn where it can be best used for my photographic style. As with my portfolio of tools - Lightroom, NIK and easyHDR, there is not one single application that offers a do-all/end-all solution for me. Based on the native image I am post-processing, I reach into my toolkit and apply what my experience has worked for me ... oh, and I continue to find editing gems in each application as I experiment.

Re: clouds and skies ... I agree, shoot your own when out on a photoshoot, always carry a camera with you for that unplanned opportunity and search the web for free textures and images to save in a folder on your computer. Some include for example

https://freestocktextures.com/texture/
https://unsplash.com/collections/365/night-sky

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Nov 21, 2019 08:56:23   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
jcboy3 wrote:
And now you have a wierd glow/halo around the bird.

One reason the sky replacement is a distraction is that the focus on the sky is still sharp. There is an adjusment in Luminar to blur the sky to make it look appropriately out of focus; it does not look like that was applied.

As I said earlier, editing photos for this purpose requires care, skill, and attention to details. Or the photo will look fake (and amateurishly so).

You are correct about the glow. I did it quick and dirty in around two minutes to give an idea of the possibilities without the distraction of changing to a busy sky which draws attention away from the main subject. It wasn't intended as a finished product. I should have been clear about that.

While softening the sky might have helped a bit, both replacement skies are way too busy and unnatural looking. Perhaps for landscapes or seascapes with no single specific subject they might work better.

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Nov 21, 2019 09:13:22   #
dannac Loc: 60 miles SW of New Orleans
 
Wanderer2 wrote:
Do I understand correctly that in Luminar 4 to use a sky image in a replacement it has to be a jpg and RAW can't be used? What file type are the supplied sky images?


Raw does not work on my machine ( Win 7 PC )

Tiff and jpg do.

Files supplied by Luminar are jpg.

Files below are screen captures.

Original
Original...
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With tiff sky
With tiff sky...
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Faststone Image Viewer
Faststone Image Viewer...
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Nov 21, 2019 10:16:07   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
dannac wrote:
Raw does not work on my machine ( Win 7 PC )

Tiff and jpg do.

Files supplied by Luminar are jpg.

Files below are screen captures.


I know you were just posting this as an example, but interestingly, the one with the original sky looks much better in my opinion. The added sky does not look that natural and is so busy it distracts the eye away from the actual subject, the tree. I'm sure with diligence there are sky replacements that will work quite well in a lot of situations. However, I'm afraid that this special effect will be overused by those who don't understand the negative impact of an overly busy and unnatural looking sky on their overall composition. I also believe that most people will use these overly dramatic built in skies rather than their own.

It seems to me that in the end, for many images the focal point will be taken away from the original subject and replaced with these busy and dramatic skies. In that case, why bother taking photos in the first place? Just create them on line.

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Nov 21, 2019 10:28:29   #
dannac Loc: 60 miles SW of New Orleans
 
mwsilvers wrote:
I know you were just posting this as an example,

Yes, someone asked if it only works with jpg ... just wanted to show it works with tiff.
... and that you can also add your own images to the Luminar sky texture folder.

mwsilvers wrote:

It seems to me that in the end, for many images the focal point will be taken away from the original subject and replaced with these busy and dramatic skies.


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Nov 21, 2019 13:31:15   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
jcboy3 wrote:
You should not be using this program, because you don't have the editing techniques to use it or the attention to detail to avoid letting it's mistakes get through. Publishing these photos is a clear indication of this.

IN PARTICULAR: Just look at the top of the head of the bird. It's missing a large chunk. GAG.

This is the list of reasons not to use this in general:

1. They have a limited number of sky photos to use for replacement. Pretty soon, all your photos are going to look alike, and like everyone elses photos.

2. The program does try to adjust image color to match the changes in color of the replacement, but it doesn't do a good job as you get further away from the boundary.

3. The disparate direction of light and shadow cannot be fixed. You need to use sky shots that have the sun in the same position.

4. Edge effects need to be scanned for, and fixed with detailed masking/editing. Luminar is not very good at that, but it can be done with a lot of work.

5. In many cases, you need to bring the original and Luminar product together in a real editor and work out the differences.

I have Luminar 4, it can do some fun stuff. But you have to know what you're doing.
You should not be using this program, because you ... (show quote)

You can add your own custom skies for replacement; not limited to the defaults! bwa

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Nov 21, 2019 16:14:47   #
cyclespeed Loc: Calgary, Alberta Canada
 
Let's be honest. Most of us would never attempt to replace the sky until L4 came along. Now it can really enhance your image in less than 1 minute.
Any time we get someone appraising our images we have a variety of opinions. It is only natural. I like the time saving functions that Luminar offers since I'd sooner be there as in outside enjoying life as opposed to spending a lot of passive time in front of a computer.
Going for a bike ride now. bye. 😎

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Nov 21, 2019 16:35:32   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
cyclespeed wrote:
Let's be honest. Most of us would never attempt to replace the sky until L4 came along. Now it can really enhance your image in less than 1 minute.
Any time we get someone appraising our images we have a variety of opinions. It is only natural. I like the time saving functions that Luminar offers since I'd sooner be there as in outside enjoying life as opposed to spending a lot of passive time in front of a computer.
Going for a bike ride now. bye. 😎


"Enhance" is a matter of opinion. I'm all for saving time, but for me whether its worth replacing skies will depend on how natural it looks and whether the result is true to what I had in my mind's eye when I captured the image. So far, all the examples I've seen in this thread and others have resulted in unrealistic an overly dramatic and overly saturated looking skies. If the skies and the effects they create were subtler I mind find the process more appealing. I think they purposely included very dramatic looking skies to make the end result more obvious.

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Nov 21, 2019 16:42:02   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
While I think sky replacement can be a valuable tool, my personal opinion is that the examples shown overdo it. The skies distract from the main subject in the photos.

And I would highly recommend creating your own library of skies to be used for replacements.

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Nov 21, 2019 16:49:03   #
Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara
 
wow, I thought this was a place for photographers to chat not attack. CC is fine but there is a fine line between I'm not sure I would do it that way and you suck

to recap facts:
1. the ai sky replacement is a pretty good piece of coding
2. it doesn’t fit every picture (lots of videos out saying what to do if if did work
3. you can use your own skies - but they do have to be jpegs for now and you need to crop them to have nothing on the horizon then adjust it horizontally
4. for me the biggest issue with this is the same as for any composite image - they have to match. You can't have a picture lite from the back then put a sky in that has it lit from the upper left.
5. like everything else Macphun/skylum has put out in the beginning people will experiment and show OTT results. HDR, sun rays, and now this. How does the old saying go - all things in moderation.

What I am hoping they take this to being able to mask anything.. now that would help me a ton.

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Nov 21, 2019 17:03:40   #
Wanderer2 Loc: Colorado Rocky Mountains
 
Ednsb wrote:
wow, I thought this was a place for photographers to chat not attack. CC is fine but there is a fine line between I'm not sure I would do it that way and you suck

to recap facts:
1. the ai sky replacement is a pretty good piece of coding
2. it doesn’t fit every picture (lots of videos out saying what to do if if did work
3. you can use your own skies - but they do have to be jpegs for now and you need to crop them to have nothing on the horizon then adjust it horizontally
4. for me the biggest issue with this is the same as for any composite image - they have to match. You can't have a picture lite from the back then put a sky in that has it lit from the upper left.
5. like everything else Macphun/skylum has put out in the beginning people will experiment and show OTT results. HDR, sun rays, and now this. How does the old saying go - all things in moderation.

What I am hoping they take this to being able to mask anything.. now that would help me a ton.
wow, I thought this was a place for photographers ... (show quote)


Thanks for this info on sky replacement. If my own skies have to be jpg files I will wait and hope that L4 changes that so my RAW files can be used. If anyone using another editing program that does sky replacement easily and relatively simply can recommend one please post that info. I use Affinity Photo and it can do sky replacement but AFAIK it's much more complicated and labor intensive (I've yet to try it) than that described for L4 in this thread. I only wish to change skies between two I have taken, the two being of the same scene.

Thanks again. I know what it's like to be the subject of "your photographs suck" criticism and it isn't pleasant. It should be kept in mind that much of what we do is subjective as to what is good and what isn't.

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Nov 21, 2019 17:26:56   #
dannac Loc: 60 miles SW of New Orleans
 
Wanderer2 wrote:
If my own skies have to be jpg files I will wait and hope that L4 changes that so my RAW files can be used.


You can use Tiff files also.

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Nov 21, 2019 17:33:38   #
Bogin Bob Loc: Tampa Bay, Florida
 
Ednsb wrote:
wow, I thought this was a place for photographers to chat not attack. CC is fine but there is a fine line between I'm not sure I would do it that way and you suck


Well said ...

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Nov 21, 2019 17:44:00   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Wanderer2 wrote:
Thanks for this info on sky replacement. If my own skies have to be jpg files I will wait and hope that L4 changes that so my RAW files can be used. If anyone using another editing program that does sky replacement easily and relatively simply can recommend one please post that info. I use Affinity Photo and it can do sky replacement but AFAIK it's much more complicated and labor intensive (I've yet to try it) than that described for L4 in this thread. I only wish to change skies between two I have taken, the two being of the same scene.

Thanks again. I know what it's like to be the subject of "your photographs suck" criticism and it isn't pleasant. It should be kept in mind that much of what we do is subjective as to what is good and what isn't.
Thanks for this info on sky replacement. If my ow... (show quote)

I not sure anyone said the photos with the replaced skies suck. I know I did not. What I did say was that so far all the images I've seen in which skies were replied in Luminar didn't look natural and were overly dramatic. What that means is that not every image is necessarily a good candidate for dramatic sky replacement and that sky replacements should be selected very carefully taking the impact to the original composition into account. In real life skies are rarely as dramatic as some of the examples I've seen. At this point I see the sky replacement as an interesting special effect that may work with certain images, especially equally dramatic landscapes and seascapes. Like any special effect it can easily be over used and over done though. It is not a panacea for every image with a less than exciting sky.

The other issue I have is if the sky is a significant portion of the final image, then it becomes more of a composite image, manufactured and put together. And its not even all your image if you use a built in sky. This is very different from using post processing tools to enhance the actual image that was captured. I may occasionally remove small visual distractions from my images, but I never add anything that wasn't there to start with.

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