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Nov 16, 2019 10:31:35   #
planepics Loc: St. Louis burbs, but originally Chicago burbs
 
After reading a few posts here I found a video on YouTube form B&H about light painting photography....I think I'll do some experimentation today or tonight.

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Nov 16, 2019 12:26:53   #
Ruraldi Loc: Milmay, NJ
 
A flashlight under the arch (out of site) is a nice touch to a sky picture. Not to bright depending upon the length of the exposure.

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Nov 16, 2019 23:10:58   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
bgrn wrote:
Headed to Arches over thanksgiving weekend. We were planing on doing some nighttime light painting. But we are finding out that we can only use low light. Anyone here that can help with understanding what that means? How bright can we go and what kind of lighting to bring? Can’t find very much info and when I called the park they didn’t have any answers. My friend and I would like to do some practicing before we go but don’t know what to practice with. Would be grateful for any help. Thanks
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Kelly--
Thanks for bringing this up. After following the discussion for a while, I visited the Arches National Park website, which I recommend that everyone in the discussion do as well. What you will learn is that four of the southeast Utah national parks have adjusted their master plans in a very interesting way. The four parks are Arches, Canyonlands, Hovenweep, and Natural Bridge.

The gist of it is that all four of the parks have elected to adopt preservation of the dark night sky as part of their mission. Since preservation is the most key of the functions provided by the National Park Service, they are well inside their authority in making this decision. Part of dark sky preservation includes rules and restrictions around the introduction of artificial light of any source and intensity anywhere in the park. This includes any lighting used for light painting as well as normal safety or convenience lighting.

My suggestion is that you investigate how to use either residual deep twilight lighting or else light from an early phase crescent moon to accomplish views of the arches. I am already planning a trip to Capulin Mountain in northeastern New Mexico next summer to work on developing this technique. Once I get the basics figured out, southeastern Utah sounds like a great next stop.

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Nov 17, 2019 06:37:40   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
larryepage wrote:
Kelly--
Thanks for bringing this up. After following the discussion for a while, I visited the Arches National Park website, which I recommend that everyone in the discussion do as well. What you will learn is that four of the southeast Utah national parks have adjusted their master plans in a very interesting way. The four parks are Arches, Canyonlands, Hovenweep, and Natural Bridge.

The gist of it is that all four of the parks have elected to adopt preservation of the dark night sky as part of their mission. Since preservation is the most key of the functions provided by the National Park Service, they are well inside their authority in making this decision. Part of dark sky preservation includes rules and restrictions around the introduction of artificial light of any source and intensity anywhere in the park. This includes any lighting used for light painting as well as normal safety or convenience lighting.

My suggestion is that you investigate how to use either residual deep twilight lighting or else light from an early phase crescent moon to accomplish views of the arches. I am already planning a trip to Capulin Mountain in northeastern New Mexico next summer to work on developing this technique. Once I get the basics figured out, southeastern Utah sounds like a great next stop.
Kelly-- br Thanks for bringing this up. After fol... (show quote)


The problem is that the OP contacted the park and they wouldn't tell him what the rules are.

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Nov 17, 2019 08:54:22   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
The problem is that the OP contacted the park and they wouldn't tell him what the rules are.


Thanks. I understand that. The most likely reason is that there are no rules to understand...simply no artificial lighting allowed in the natural areas of the park, and very limited lighting in the developed areas. It seems in today's world that the simplest rules are the ones that we have the biggest problem understanding, especially if they don't line up with what we want to do. Can't say that I might have had problems initially accepting the answer either. By the way, this seems to be an ongoing process, with ceremonies as recently as September ushering in the new rules and processes.

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Nov 17, 2019 11:14:50   #
bgrn Loc: Pleasant Grove UT
 
Thanks for everyone’s replies. In researching this is have been able to find out a little more. Apparently they did put a ban in place but the Utah photography groups brought this up to the table and were able to strike a compromise to allow for the “low light exception”. The problem arises where no one knows what that that means. I always try to be considerate of other people, and I understand the need for keeping dark skies dark, this is why I try and research before jumping into a place like this where people come from all over to experience this very unique area. I have the luxury of living close to these NP’s, for others it may be a once in a lifetime visit. So far it’s looking like if we do anything it will be trying with a small pen light but more than likely we will not do any painting as we don’t want to mess things up for everyone else. Thanks again and we are still open to new ideas.

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