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Oct 17, 2019 15:13:26   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Angel Star Photography wrote:
Switching to raw from JPEG is easy and you will find that it opens the door to far wider possibilities of what you can do with your captures. You will need to do some basic editing such as sharpening, adding clarity, etc. but this would only be the beginning of where you can take images from there.

I jumped into Lightroom initially, taking advantage of the free trial, in an effort to salvage some images I had captured---no other opportunity to capture again. They were shot in raw and my version of Photoshop Elements did not work with Windows 10. Long story; however, I will add that this was my first time shooting raw and using Lightroom. I found the Lightroom interface rather intuitive and within minutes I had salvaged my images. That was the beginning and since then I have perused YouTube videos and courses on Lynda to move beyond the basics.

As to what to do with your JPEGs, Lightroom should be viewed as an organizer first with editing capabilities laid on top. Thus, you can use Lightroom to organize both JPEGs and raw images. I now use Lightroom to organize my cell JPEGs as well as my raw files from my Canon and this has allowed me to organize captures that were taken long, long before I started using Lightroom and before I began shooting raw. The organizational capability of Lightroom is amazing. I began with absolutely no organizational plan in mind---don't recommend this. Through Lightroom, I have finally organized about 75% of ALL of my images.

As an editor, I use Lightroom about 90% of the time and Photoshop in the remaining cases. If you take advantage of the Adobe Photography subscription, you will get Lightroom and Photoshop together. While these are two stand-alone applications and can be used separately, there is integration with Lightroom such that you can select an image in Lightroom, right-click and select edit in Photoshop, and when you close Photoshop, you are returned to Lightroom complete with your Photoshop edited image added to Lightroom. This further facilitates organizing your images.

Regarding the educational needs, there are many resources freely available on YouTube and I recommend doing a search there on Lightroom and Adobe has videos available as well. Lynda is a subscription-based resource; however, if your local or county library has an arrangement with Lynda, you will be able to access their content with simply a membership to your library. Don't limit yourself to simply your local or county library. Many libraries have inter-agency agreements. Thus, if your library resources don't have an agreement with Lynda, you may still be able to access Lynda if some other county or city library has such an agreement.

You should be aware, too, that Lightroom is a non-destructive editor. This means that no changes are made to your files themselves. Rather, Lightroom retains your changes in a database and applies them as you view your images or when you export them to share or print. Thus, you can always reset to the original or drop back to some point in your editing history if you wish to change your image.

Side note: You should consider monitor calibration, too, as you step to raw, using an editor such as Lightroom, and sharing your images.

If funding is a concern, there are alternatives such as Darktable, Lightzone, and RawTherapee to name a few. Regardless, I continue to use Lightroom and Photoshop. The Adobe Creative Cloud subscription of $10/month is well worth the price.
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Very well put, Charles!

"Like getting a new camera..." sums it up.

I do have to frequently shoot JPEGs directly for documentation purposes at work, and, being at least "absent minded" if not downright forgetful, I sometimes have a setting or two at the wrong notch. LR provides quick and easy batch adjustments on JPEGs as well, so even if you're not shooting RAW, it's a valuable tool. I don't see any reasons to avoid RAW other than speed of processing and delivery, so I do the bulk of my processing in LR (and occasionally Photoshop) on RAW files. If you shoot JPEG for reasons of speed of processing, I completely understand; I do the same. But if you're actually spending much processing time on JPEG files, you're limiting your possibilities. Rather severely IMHO.

Andy

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Oct 17, 2019 15:15:19   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
camerapapi wrote:
My advise, whenever you change editing to RAW but especially if you are interested in the best colors, use the editor that the manufacturer created for your camera. Lightroom or any other software AFTER you have initially worked with the proprietary software. If your images will be used for the Internet any software will do. A calibrated monitor is a must for better accuracy.

You will find that images out of camera when shooting RAW data are practically lifeless. You will have to add contrast, brightness, saturate colors, select a WB and even sharpen a bit more than a JPEG file. Perfection will take some time. If you have someone experienced in editing RAW data to help you get started you are for a good start. Take an image of a sunrise or a sunset in RAW data and you will see that the colors you saw are not going to be present in the actual image and you will understand what I am saying.

To improve the quality of your images you should start with yourself. Do you have enough basic information on photography? Are your shooting techniques impeccable? Do you use a tripod? Do you know composition? There are many others like learning to see the light and what it does to your subjects and a very important one, learn to see what is around you.

Good luck!
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Panasonic cameras come with a free copy of SilkyPix - with which you can develop your RAWs and edit your JPGs -but beware - this SilkyPix version will only work with data from a Panasonic.

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Oct 17, 2019 15:31:11   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
I've used PSE since version 1. Still use it for RAW. It has a built in Organizer. Never have seen the need for Lightroom.

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Oct 17, 2019 15:34:06   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
hassighedgehog wrote:
I've used PSE since version 1. Still use it for RAW. It has a built in Organizer. Never have seen the need for Lightroom.


Are you familiar with 8-bit vs 16-bit editing?

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Oct 17, 2019 15:45:59   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
davyboy wrote:
I’m not a control freak. I’m open to new things but do not want to shoot raw at this time. My jpegs blow me away and are plenty good. I like making 8x10 and framing them. And here’s wishin ya good shooting!


Hi Davy - I have a couple of 20 x 16 prints from SOOC jpgs which are great (mind you, I did pixel peak before investing). Having said that, whenever I view SOOCs at 100% I am almost always happy with the quality.
I am a M43 freak, so my favourite size for prints is 7 x 5, and I can get two prints on one A4 sheet.
Happy shooting, Del

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Oct 17, 2019 16:50:58   #
cochese
 
There are also several open source free programs out there to work with RAW files. I use Darktable and Gimp.

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Oct 17, 2019 17:17:10   #
chevman Loc: Matthews, North Carolina
 
Novice62 wrote:
a6k, thanks very much. This is very helpful

Also, no one seems to have mentioned this yet, but you can load RAW photo files into Apple Photos, and do some RAW editing. also Photos has a feature called extensions whereby you can send a photo off to another editor such as Affinity Photo, or Luminar, or even NIK if you happen to have the Google version of it. Affinity, and Luminar work very well on the Mac and both are far more comprehensive. Also you can easily duplicate a photo in Apple Photos or reset any edits, I also have Lightroom 6 and Photoshop elements, and I find myself using Luminar, and Affinity Photo since Adobe went to subscription. You might just try using Canon Digital Photo Professional that you get for free with your Canon 80D it works very good for both jpeg and as a RAW processor. It also has a print module in the software.

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Oct 17, 2019 17:33:43   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
Novice62 wrote:
Hi, a couple of years back I received some superb advice here when I was deciding on the purchase of my first DSLR. I ultimately purchased a Canon 80D and I primarily use a Tamron 18-400mm lens. I am still shooting in JPEG and I currently use the very basic processing program, which is part of my IOS operating system. More and more I'm receiving encouragement to change to RAW. I recently moved to NC and I plan to continue to take photos of Nature and Wildlife including Birds. I realize that when I change to RAW I also have to change the program I use to process my photos. When I have a discussion about changing to RAW from folks from all over, they almost all use Lightroom but I realize there are other programs too. So all this said how difficult is it to transition to RAW? I'm told it's easy to learn Lightroom, but I don't know, what I don't know about it yet or whether I should consider another processing program. I am concerned about the learning curve in all this and the time it may take to process my photos. But while I may be like many somewhat resistant to change, I think I'd like to improve my photo quality. I welcome any advice on how easy it may be to change to RAW and any reference info. Additionally I welcome any advice on what to do with all my JPEG photos after the change. Thanks in advance.
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You can use the editor on your Mac for RAW using the jpeg + raw option in the camera

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Oct 17, 2019 21:31:48   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Adobe Camera Raw can process both RAW files and JPEG files.
Novice62 wrote:
Hi, a couple of years back I received some superb advice here when I was deciding on the purchase of my first DSLR. I ultimately purchased a Canon 80D and I primarily use a Tamron 18-400mm lens. I am still shooting in JPEG and I currently use the very basic processing program, which is part of my IOS operating system. More and more I'm receiving encouragement to change to RAW. I recently moved to NC and I plan to continue to take photos of Nature and Wildlife including Birds. I realize that when I change to RAW I also have to change the program I use to process my photos. When I have a discussion about changing to RAW from folks from all over, they almost all use Lightroom but I realize there are other programs too. So all this said how difficult is it to transition to RAW? I'm told it's easy to learn Lightroom, but I don't know, what I don't know about it yet or whether I should consider another processing program. I am concerned about the learning curve in all this and the time it may take to process my photos. But while I may be like many somewhat resistant to change, I think I'd like to improve my photo quality. I welcome any advice on how easy it may be to change to RAW and any reference info. Additionally I welcome any advice on what to do with all my JPEG photos after the change. Thanks in advance.
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Oct 17, 2019 21:33:01   #
engguy82
 
I agree with John Gualt. Canon DPP free software is the way to go. After all Canon made your camera why not use the Canon SW. you can really accomplish a good deal of photo manipulation to make your photo look the way you originally intended it to look when you pushed the shutter button.

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Oct 17, 2019 22:28:38   #
tinwhistle
 
After 5 full pages of good advice I probably needn't weigh in, but I'll do it anyway. If your using your 80D, the soft wear that came with the camera and what is available from Canon is all you'll need or want for a good amount of time. The learning curve is not bad and your Canon SW works excellently with Photoshop. I use Elements 11 and CS6 on a PC and Windows 10 Excellent results...BTW, you'll love RAW

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Oct 18, 2019 07:21:43   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
chevman wrote:
Also, no one seems to have mentioned this yet, but you can load RAW photo files into Apple Photos, and do some RAW editing. also Photos has a feature called extensions whereby you can send a photo off to another editor such as Affinity Photo, or Luminar, or even NIK if you happen to have the Google version of it. Affinity, and Luminar work very well on the Mac and both are far more comprehensive. Also you can easily duplicate a photo in Apple Photos or reset any edits, I also have Lightroom 6 and Photoshop elements, and I find myself using Luminar, and Affinity Photo since Adobe went to subscription. You might just try using Canon Digital Photo Professional that you get for free with your Canon 80D it works very good for both jpeg and as a RAW processor. It also has a print module in the software.
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Compared to conventional raw editors, Photos is pretty basic. It lacks so many capabilities that are routinely included in other raw converters.

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Oct 18, 2019 09:12:21   #
Novice62
 
camarapapi, thanks for the great advise. I am still working on my composition and chasing the light for the jpeg shooting. But I think that will be a continuous process to prevent falling back into bad habits. I will work on it all. Thanks again

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Oct 18, 2019 09:15:11   #
Novice62
 
CHG Canon, I am not yet familiar with the difference between 8 vs 16 bit processing. I will look into it.

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Oct 18, 2019 13:34:47   #
neillaubenthal
 
Long story short…get Lightroom, change the camera to RAW, and keep on keeping on. Basic LR usage is pretty easy to pickup and you'll also pretty rapidly get used to the other controls and sliders. Best option is the $10/month Adobe Photographer subscription…which gives you Lightroom Classic, Lightroom CC (online version but not as many features yet as classic) as well as Photoshop. Luminar and ON1 also have some photo management capabilities…but they're very limited in capabilities so far.

The biggest thing to figure out with LR…and it's better to figure it out before you start really using it…is how you're going to organize photos into collections. Lightroom Queen website has some articles on this but most people either use a time based filing system or a project based filing system.

I think that time based is more intuitive…when photos are imported they go onto my file server volume for actual photo storage and are stored in folders by year and then by month (01, 02...12) inside there. The actual location of the original images is not relevant to the collections…and I recommend using this image location system regardless of how you organize your collections.

Next…one makes collections. Again…I go by year, then month inside there (using a combination of collections and smart collections) and then inside the months a collection for each place I visit with names like 01 Hocking Hills, 02 Richmond VA. If necessary…I'll make collections inside those for various locations but to date I've not found that to be necessary too often.

Others make collections by project, wedding job, hike, or whatever other system makes sense to you.

Hope this helps.

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