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Oct 16, 2019 11:45:34   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
Out of curiosity, what editor have you been using?

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Oct 16, 2019 11:54:53   #
Novice62
 
Thanks Andy

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Oct 16, 2019 11:58:29   #
Novice62
 
PH Rubin, I use Apple systems and IOS. On my iMac the operating system has "Photos" which allows you to organize your photos and it allows you to edit them. This is only editing program I have used. But in discussions and reading about others, I consider this one a very basic program. It probably does some of what others do, but I think many others do much more.

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Oct 16, 2019 12:08:37   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Novice62 wrote:
Hi, a couple of years back I received some superb advice here when I was deciding on the purchase of my first DSLR. I ultimately purchased a Canon 80D and I primarily use a Tamron 18-400mm lens. I am still shooting in JPEG and I currently use the very basic processing program, which is part of my IOS operating system. More and more I'm receiving encouragement to change to RAW. I recently moved to NC and I plan to continue to take photos of Nature and Wildlife including Birds. I realize that when I change to RAW I also have to change the program I use to process my photos. When I have a discussion about changing to RAW from folks from all over, they almost all use Lightroom but I realize there are other programs too. So all this said how difficult is it to transition to RAW? I'm told it's easy to learn Lightroom, but I don't know, what I don't know about it yet or whether I should consider another processing program. I am concerned about the learning curve in all this and the time it may take to process my photos. But while I may be like many somewhat resistant to change, I think I'd like to improve my photo quality. I welcome any advice on how easy it may be to change to RAW and any reference info. Additionally I welcome any advice on what to do with all my JPEG photos after the change. Thanks in advance.
Hi, a couple of years back I received some superb ... (show quote)


If you are switching to RAW, you probably want Lightroom rather than PS Elements. LR edits in 16 bit verses PSE in 8 bit. LR is non-destructive. If you do not want Adobe, still look for 16 bit non-destructive editing.

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Oct 16, 2019 12:21:23   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
I personally found the switch easy, but that's because I enjoy having total control



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Oct 16, 2019 17:39:38   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Novice62 wrote:
PH Rubin, I use Apple systems and IOS. On my iMac the operating system has "Photos" which allows you to organize your photos and it allows you to edit them. This is only editing program I have used. But in discussions and reading about others, I consider this one a very basic program. It probably does some of what others do, but I think many others do much more.


IMO, you need to get a decent editing program and work on your JPEGS - FIRST - and get comfortable - before troubling yourself with raw.
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Oct 16, 2019 18:02:08   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Novice62 wrote:
Hi, a couple of years back I received some superb advice here when I was deciding on the purchase of my first DSLR. I ultimately purchased a Canon 80D and I primarily use a Tamron 18-400mm lens. I am still shooting in JPEG and I currently use the very basic processing program, which is part of my IOS operating system. More and more I'm receiving encouragement to change to RAW. I recently moved to NC and I plan to continue to take photos of Nature and Wildlife including Birds. I realize that when I change to RAW I also have to change the program I use to process my photos. When I have a discussion about changing to RAW from folks from all over, they almost all use Lightroom but I realize there are other programs too. So all this said how difficult is it to transition to RAW? I'm told it's easy to learn Lightroom, but I don't know, what I don't know about it yet or whether I should consider another processing program. I am concerned about the learning curve in all this and the time it may take to process my photos. But while I may be like many somewhat resistant to change, I think I'd like to improve my photo quality. I welcome any advice on how easy it may be to change to RAW and any reference info. Additionally I welcome any advice on what to do with all my JPEG photos after the change. Thanks in advance.
Hi, a couple of years back I received some superb ... (show quote)

I would start with Canon's free Digital Photo Professional (DPP) program. It will give you a start without any expense. Eventually you may outgrow it or want features it doesn't have. But, in the meantime its a good free program that shouldn't be too overwhelming.

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Oct 16, 2019 18:11:22   #
a6k Loc: Detroit & Sanibel
 
Novice62 wrote:
PH Rubin, I use Apple systems and IOS. On my iMac the operating system has "Photos" which allows you to organize your photos and it allows you to edit them. This is only editing program I have used. But in discussions and reading about others, I consider this one a very basic program. It probably does some of what others do, but I think many others do much more.


I don't want to nitpick, but you may cause confusion by referring to your Mac's operating system as "IOS". The system on the Mac computer is OS X or just "MacOS" but NOT iOS. iOS (note odd capitalization) is the operating system for the iPhone and the iPad only. Both are Apple but they are otherwise quite different and run on different hardware.



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Oct 16, 2019 18:53:25   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
imagemeister wrote:
IMO, you need to get a decent editing program and work on your JPEGS - FIRST - and get comfortable - before troubling yourself with raw.
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I am an amateur, but I disagree. Playing with JPEGS is waste of time that would be better spent by diving into RAW processing.
It is not rocket science.

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Oct 16, 2019 19:08:15   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
imagemeister wrote:
IMO, you need to get a decent editing program and work on your JPEGS - FIRST - and get comfortable - before troubling yourself with raw.
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Before dismissing JPEGS, you should master them ... - THEN, move on if you think you need to - only then you may see what differences there are - if any - for YOU.

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Oct 16, 2019 19:40:00   #
rebride
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
I am an amateur, but I disagree. Playing with JPEGS is waste of time that would be better spent by diving into RAW processing.
It is not rocket science.


I agree. Editing in jpeg is much like remodeling where as building from scratch (RAW) is simpler and better quality.
Don't understand why Raw is such a big deal. In editing programs I use it is the same tools for jpeg as raw. Maybe it's Photoshop???

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Oct 16, 2019 21:23:19   #
Novice62
 
a6k, you're correct, I apologize for any confusion. I have an older Mac so I'm using macOS High Sierra, that is the highest os my system can take. Thanks for the clarification.

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Oct 16, 2019 21:31:45   #
Novice62
 
Do you have any recommended jpeg editing programs?

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Oct 16, 2019 22:12:39   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Novice62 wrote:
Do you have any recommended jpeg editing programs?


I think , sooner or later you will/should be using something Adobe. Many, myself included, use Elements. And, of course LR and PS are also Adobe.
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Oct 16, 2019 22:34:21   #
a6k Loc: Detroit & Sanibel
 
Novice62 wrote:
Do you have any recommended jpeg editing programs?


Since this one was immediately following the one addressed to me I will be presumptuous and assume this was for me. Many others have already commented with their knowledge and wisdom. Reasonable people may disagree. Many have already done that on this thread.

While it is certainly feasible to edit JPG's, in my own view it is not a good starting point and, again only in my view, it is unnecessarily limiting at a time when you want to learn how to edit your photos. In other words, I would not advise choosing a program for its ability to edit JPG's. Any program that can edit raw well can probably do well with JPG's to the extent that the JPG version allows. In other words, I advise choosing a raw developer/editor as the primary criterion.

Your camera can probably create a raw version and a JPG version of the exact same exposure. You may want to start there. It would be good practice to work with the raw version to get it to closely resemble the out-of-camera JPG. But notwithstanding the excellent results some individuals get with just and only JPG, the fact remains that a JPG image is only one of perhaps hundreds of versions of the original exposure (raw) that the camera captured first. There are may good programs that can work with both your raw and your JPG and what is best for me may not be best for you.

Your Mac does have Preview and Photos or iPhoto already and they are good. There are some excellent free programs but they may be harder to learn. If you spend some time reading reviews and trying the many free trial versions you will probably find one or more that you like.

Here is where I depart from a number of others. My preference when copying a picture from the SD card to the computer is to do it with just Finder. Finder is, as you likely know, the file manager that is part of macOS. Once you have the picture files, raw, JPG or both, in a folder of your choice, then you can open and work with them using any program that you want to. But if you use a program, Photos or LightRoom or some other, to "import" the files then you may find it difficult to freely use other programs. In part, that will depend on how you do the import, of course. That's an involved subject and it varies between programs, too.

I don't know if anyone above mentioned this, but there is one program that is unique and valuable and costs very little. It is only a viewer. It cannot edit a file. But it can show you very quickly and easily what your raw file contains and can also view JPG's. You can invoke almost any editor to work with a given picture without even leaving the first program. The program is FastRawViewer and it has the same underlying technology as RawDigger. It can fit into your workflow very well and I recommend that you try it.

Above all, work hard, be patient and have fun.

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