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Oct 10, 2019 08:20:31   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Low Budget Dave wrote:
To capture the image properly using your wide lens at F3.4, and 1/60, you will most likely need ISO 12,800 or higher. If you use a tripod, and get people to sit really still, you can move the shutter speed down to 1/30, which will bring your ISO down to (about) 6400, which is still pretty high, but usable.

But remember that every assignment is an opportunity to buy a new lens. The key to shooting by candlelight is fast glass, and in this case, the Nikon 35mm F1.8 DX is less than $200, and will allow you to (roughly) cut those ISO numbers in half.

I recommend buying the lens and bringing also the SB-800 flash just in case. You can always crank the power down, and point the flash at the ceiling. It is better to have a few photos come out that don't emphasize the candles than to have no pictures come out at all.

I also recommend that you spend a few hours ahead of time testing the different settings, in full manual, so you know what you are getting. If the restaurant won't let you test, then set up a bunch of candles at home and test there. Under no circumstances should you be testing out the settings once the dinner has started.
To capture the image properly using your wide lens... (show quote)


The acquisition of the 35mm 1.8 DX lens is a great suggestion.
Great lens for indoor, limited lighting, group pictures.

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Oct 10, 2019 08:32:54   #
kmpankopf Loc: Mid-Michigan; SW Pennsylvania
 
twowindsbear wrote:
The solution is extremely simple:

HIRE A PROFESSIONAL!!


So true. I can't think of a reason why I would shoot a family function. First, if it is a family function I'd like to be part of it - not taking pictures. Second, no one wins. Everyone thinks YOU are a professional. Be prepared to deliver the results.

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Oct 10, 2019 08:33:29   #
Basil_O Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
I'll lend my two cents here: hire somebody else to do it and just enjoy the dinner. As others have pointed out, your lenses are not adequate for the task at hand, especially if you don't use flash. In the end, you will wind up with poor quality shots and a lot of frustrated folks (including yourself). These family moments are far to precious to spend all your time and effort focusing on taking pictures. The best gift "pops" could give is your presence and undivided attention to the moment.

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Oct 10, 2019 08:51:34   #
CanonTom Loc: Birmingham
 
foxfirerodandgun wrote:
I have been asked to take pictures of a wedding rehearsal dinner at a local eatery and would like some suggestions on settings. I'll be using a Nikon D7200 with a choice of two kit lens, AF-S 1:4-5:6G, 55-200mm and/or, AF-S 18-70mm 1:3-4:5G. I don't plan to use my SB-800 flash unit and really don't want to use the pop up flash either unless absolutely necessary. My initial thoughts are:

1) Auto ISO
2) Aperture priority

or possibly

1) ISO 1000 to 1600
2) f/5.6 to f/11

It will be at night and the room will be low light and possibly with candles. I'm not sure if it will be florescent or tungsten lighting. I try to stay away from this type of photography due to some miserable results in the past. But this is for my son & his family so I really don't have a choice. Any & all suggestions are welcomed. "Pops" bacon is kind of on the line here.
I have been asked to take pictures of a wedding re... (show quote)


Sorry but does not sound promising with what you list for equipt. If nothing else think of buying or renting or borrowing a nifty fifty. Not very expensive and will give you f 1.8, which without a flash you are likely to need. You will likely need either f 1.8 or f 2.8 to get these shots if you are not using a flash. Frankly I would consider flash unless not allowed for whatever reason. Good luck!

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Oct 10, 2019 09:13:00   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
foxfirerodandgun wrote:
I have been asked to take pictures of a wedding rehearsal dinner at a local eatery and would like some suggestions on settings. I'll be using a Nikon D7200 with a choice of two kit lens, AF-S 1:4-5:6G, 55-200mm and/or, AF-S 18-70mm 1:3-4:5G. I don't plan to use my SB-800 flash unit and really don't want to use the pop up flash either unless absolutely necessary. My initial thoughts are:

1) Auto ISO
2) Aperture priority

or possibly

1) ISO 1000 to 1600
2) f/5.6 to f/11

It will be at night and the room will be low light and possibly with candles. I'm not sure if it will be florescent or tungsten lighting. I try to stay away from this type of photography due to some miserable results in the past. But this is for my son & his family so I really don't have a choice. Any & all suggestions are welcomed. "Pops" bacon is kind of on the line here.
I have been asked to take pictures of a wedding re... (show quote)


Looks like your BACON is going to fry.

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Oct 10, 2019 09:21:17   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
CanonTom wrote:
Sorry but does not sound promising with what you list for equipt. If nothing else think of buying or renting or borrowing a nifty fifty. Not very expensive and will give you f 1.8, which without a flash you are likely to need. You will likely need either f 1.8 or f 2.8 to get these shots if you are not using a flash. Frankly I would consider flash unless not allowed for whatever reason. Good luck!


I don't think that a fast lens is the answer here - large apertures have correspondingly shallow depth of field. More than likely he will end up using F5.6 or F8 just to make sure everyone at a table is in focus, and he can do that with his existing equipment. Flash and higher ISOs are his only alternatives. I would not cover such an event with anything less than a D700 or a D3S, both of which have great image quality even at ISO 6400 for both, and 12800 or higher for the D3S. So at lower ISO with flash he would be fine. But I think that his camera will be fine as long as he understands how to get his best results from his flash.

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Oct 10, 2019 09:25:15   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
foxfirerodandgun wrote:
I have been asked to take pictures of a wedding rehearsal dinner at a local eatery and would like some suggestions on settings. I'll be using a Nikon D7200 with a choice of two kit lens, AF-S 1:4-5:6G, 55-200mm and/or, AF-S 18-70mm 1:3-4:5G. I don't plan to use my SB-800 flash unit and really don't want to use the pop up flash either unless absolutely necessary. My initial thoughts are:

1) Auto ISO
2) Aperture priority

or possibly

1) ISO 1000 to 1600
2) f/5.6 to f/11

It will be at night and the room will be low light and possibly with candles. I'm not sure if it will be florescent or tungsten lighting. I try to stay away from this type of photography due to some miserable results in the past. But this is for my son & his family so I really don't have a choice. Any & all suggestions are welcomed. "Pops" bacon is kind of on the line here.
I have been asked to take pictures of a wedding re... (show quote)


I really didn't mean your bacon will burn but your really asking for it with your current equipment.
Here is my helpful suggestion, use your fastest lens, the AF-S 18-70mm 1:3-4:5G. Your going to have to get higher on your ISO, shoot at no smaller than f5.6, your really going to have a shallow depth of field so use it at 18 mm to 24 mm.
IF it was me, I would use my SB800, turn the flash head up and behind you and use a black felt paper and put it around the end of your flash to make a funnel and use a elastic girls ponytail band to secure it to your flash. Using the flash this way will retain a lot of candle effect. Use manual on the camera and TTL on the flash. A base exposure might be 1/30 sec. at f8, then adjust your ISO to get the effect you want.
I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU GO TO THE VENUE BEFORE THE EVENT AND TRY OUT THESE TECHNIQUES.
And, if there is a NEXT time, let a pro do the work.

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Oct 10, 2019 09:28:36   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
In the first place, if you do not have training in wedding photography the couple should not expect much. Understand it is a very important day in the life of the couple.

I can only make comments based on the information you offered and the fact that there could be mixed lighting is a strong case in favor of using flash. The low available light is also in favor of using flash. In my case I do not use AUTO ISO.
Your lenses and I like the 18-70 f3.5-4.5 AF-S with flash could do a great job. I hope you know how to use flash to avoid those ugly shadows behind the subject and the harsh light on the faces.
When I did weddings I used more than one flash.

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Oct 10, 2019 10:05:55   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
You could use flash compensation for either source to dial down the light and make it a fill light. I always use my Lite-Scoop on my SB600 for these types of shots.

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Oct 10, 2019 11:08:28   #
Low Budget Dave
 
I just did a quick check of indoor lighting the other night. With a single 60 watt bulb in a 10' by 10' room, at 1/80 second and F2.2, I ended up at ISO 6400.

My camera has pretty good noise control, so as long as I don't blow the photos up past 6" by 9", they would be usable. Anything bigger, though, or with a crop, the photos look amateurish.

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Oct 10, 2019 11:24:51   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Gene51 wrote:
I don't think that a fast lens is the answer here - large apertures have correspondingly shallow depth of field. More than likely he will end up using F5.6 or F8 just to make sure everyone at a table is in focus, and he can do that with his existing equipment. Flash and higher ISOs are his only alternatives. I would not cover such an event with anything less than a D700 or a D3S, both of which have great image quality even at ISO 6400 for both, and 12800 or higher for the D3S. So at lower ISO with flash he would be fine. But I think that his camera will be fine as long as he understands how to get his best results from his flash.
I don't think that a fast lens is the answer here ... (show quote)

I agree. I mentioned in my earlier post that while the acquisition of a fast 35mm lens might allow him to shoot without the speedlight, I cautioned him that a fast lens, wide open, would be problematic for any group shots because of the shallow depth of field.

Frankly, based on the question he posed, and the fact he's still shooting with those kit lenses and owns no others for his terrific camera, I am concerned that he lacks the knowledge and experience to do this properly. That's why I suggested that he put his camera in P mode and use his flash as a bounce for every image. He may have enough of a struggle just to achieve good compositions if this is the first time he has tried to shoot something like this.

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Oct 10, 2019 11:28:50   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
foxfirerodandgun wrote:
I have been asked to take pictures of a wedding rehearsal dinner at a local eatery and would like some suggestions on settings. I'll be using a Nikon D7200 with a choice of two kit lens, AF-S 1:4-5:6G, 55-200mm and/or, AF-S 18-70mm 1:3-4:5G. I don't plan to use my SB-800 flash unit and really don't want to use the pop up flash either unless absolutely necessary. My initial thoughts are:

1) Auto ISO
2) Aperture priority

or possibly

1) ISO 1000 to 1600
2) f/5.6 to f/11

It will be at night and the room will be low light and possibly with candles. I'm not sure if it will be florescent or tungsten lighting. I try to stay away from this type of photography due to some miserable results in the past. But this is for my son & his family so I really don't have a choice. Any & all suggestions are welcomed. "Pops" bacon is kind of on the line here.
I have been asked to take pictures of a wedding re... (show quote)


I really believe in site surveys! Visit the restaurant in advance, if all possible, and measure the light where you will be working, at the time of day you will be working. Restaurants are notoriously dimly lit places.

Meter a cheap Delta-1 gray card:

( https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/15633-REG/Delta_22010_Gray_Card_8x10_2.html )

...or use a hand-held incident meter, if you have one. That will give you an idea of the aperture, ISO sensitivity, and shutter speed combination you will need, so you can formulate a strategy that works.

Remember that to avoid camera shake in hand-held images, you will need a shutter speed close to, or shorter than, 1/(longest focal length * 1.5). The 1.5 multiplier in the denominator is the "crop factor" of a DX camera. So for a 70mm focal length, 1/(70 * 1.5) or the next faster speed, 1/125. If you are less than a rock-steady photographer, use a tripod or an even faster hand-held speed.

Your kit lenses are really quite a bit slow for available light photography. If you can borrow a prime lens with a maximum aperture between f/1.2 and f/2.8, you'll be MUCH happier with the results. A 24-70mm f/2.8 zoom or a 28-75mm f/2.8 zoom would be okay, too.

Under VERY few circumstances do you need an aperture smaller than f/8 with a DX or APS-C camera. Smaller apertures give you extreme depth of field, but add diffraction to the scene, which is like using a soft-focus filter. In a situation such as this, I'd probably be working at f/2.8 to f/4!

Your camera should be okay out to around ISO 3200, before you notice distracting noise and color degradation. But I'd try to keep it at 1600 or slower. 200 to 800 is a very clean ISO range on that camera.

Good luck! Testing in advance will make your job MUCH more likely to yield good results.

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Oct 10, 2019 11:46:41   #
dandev Loc: Enumclaw, WA
 
I just shot a large charity fundraiser - black room, high ceilings, yellow (very dim) lighting, no windows.
Used a Canon 5D3 with 24 to 105 - f5.6, 125, ISO 4,000. (Set to manual) And - a Canon 600 Speedlight (which was essential) with Gary Fong modifier. Ceiling was too high to bounce - and it was black. Speedlight was set to ETTL.
You need to have some depth of field - or too much will be out of focus. And you can't shoot much slower or you will get motion blur.
With all of that, I still had to do a lot of color and noise processing. (The flash and room lights were different color temps. I could have used a yellow filter (1/2 CTO) on the flash to fix that, but I forgot.)
I think you will be disappointed if you don't use a (non pop-up) flash.



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Oct 10, 2019 13:42:58   #
Buzzardluck Loc: Tempe, AZ
 
FYI, I once 45 years ago acted as the photographer at my brother's wedding. Now even though they are divorced and remarried to others I still hear complaints about how bad the pictures were. As others have said hire a pro and enjoy the wedding.

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Oct 10, 2019 13:47:27   #
BebuLamar
 
foxfirerodandgun wrote:
I have been asked to take pictures of a wedding rehearsal dinner at a local eatery and would like some suggestions on settings. I'll be using a Nikon D7200 with a choice of two kit lens, AF-S 1:4-5:6G, 55-200mm and/or, AF-S 18-70mm 1:3-4:5G. I don't plan to use my SB-800 flash unit and really don't want to use the pop up flash either unless absolutely necessary. My initial thoughts are:

1) Auto ISO
2) Aperture priority

or possibly

1) ISO 1000 to 1600
2) f/5.6 to f/11

It will be at night and the room will be low light and possibly with candles. I'm not sure if it will be florescent or tungsten lighting. I try to stay away from this type of photography due to some miserable results in the past. But this is for my son & his family so I really don't have a choice. Any & all suggestions are welcomed. "Pops" bacon is kind of on the line here.
I have been asked to take pictures of a wedding re... (show quote)


The best thing you can do is to visit the place and see what kind of light you have. Take some test shots and go from there.

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