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Oct 9, 2019 02:08:40   #
wannabe63 Loc: Bellevue, Washington
 
I'm having problems in getting my printer to produce the image I see on my monitor. I use Lightroom 6 (CD version) and a Cannon Pro 10 printer. I have been dealing with this issue for a long time and am getting tired of wasting paper and ink to produce a likeness displayed on my monitor. The image is close but the final product has always had to be tweaked using trial and error. The monitor (2 years old) has been calibrated using i1Display Pro. I've viewed many utube video's, followed previous discussion within UHH as well as other information on line but can't get where I want to be which is an acceptable image with one push of the print button. I've tried so many combinations in the print module of LR that I lose track of what I've done. Under Color Management Profile, I've tried "Managed by Printer", and I've tried using Other and inserted the paper profile. In Page Setup under Matching I've tried all 3 possibilities: Driver Matching, ICM and None. I can go on and on about the variations that haven't worked. Needless to say this has become a very frustrating part of my photography. What I'm looking for is how others with the SAME printer and post processing software have set up their equipment so that it renders the same image as displayed on their monitor.

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Oct 9, 2019 06:46:03   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCz9YXaSulpM90vC24lmAeZA
I'm guessing watched vids from this guy. With some papers you still need to tweak ( usually add ) brightness by a certain percent. What program? Are you soft proofing? I keep a record of any printing adjustments plus paper used in a small note pad for any pics I print. I'm not 100% sure but think its possible to save a print ( pic copy just for printing that pic )profile in LR. Maybe someone here with more experience can chime in. If your using LR let LR handle the all aspects of the job including color. Watch vids from the above link. You might also check the printing & post processing forums.

Good luck , Tom

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Oct 9, 2019 06:53:54   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
wannabe63 wrote:
I'm having problems in getting my printer to produce the image I see on my monitor. I use Lightroom 6 (CD version) and a Cannon Pro 10 printer. I have been dealing with this issue for a long time and am getting tired of wasting paper and ink to produce a likeness displayed on my monitor. The image is close but the final product has always had to be tweaked using trial and error. The monitor (2 years old) has been calibrated using i1Display Pro. I've viewed many utube video's, followed previous discussion within UHH as well as other information on line but can't get where I want to be which is an acceptable image with one push of the print button. I've tried so many combinations in the print module of LR that I lose track of what I've done. Under Color Management Profile, I've tried "Managed by Printer", and I've tried using Other and inserted the paper profile. In Page Setup under Matching I've tried all 3 possibilities: Driver Matching, ICM and None. I can go on and on about the variations that haven't worked. Needless to say this has become a very frustrating part of my photography. What I'm looking for is how others with the SAME printer and post processing software have set up their equipment so that it renders the same image as displayed on their monitor.
I'm having problems in getting my printer to produ... (show quote)


Describe the difference. What display are you using? Does your subject have a lot of out of gamut colors? Are you using Canon paper (in which case you let the printer manage colors) or are you using a third party paper (in which you download a profile from the paper mfgr and follow the mfgr's recommendation for paper and ink settings in the printer's driver)? Did you soft-proof your image in LR?

BTW, the print will never "match" the image on the screen but you can get it pretty close.

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Oct 9, 2019 07:27:20   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Fortunately, I don't have to produce many color photos on my printers. I've noticed that different printers produce slightly different tints and shades of colors, even with OEM ink. Getting the scene, the monitor, and several printers to match colors is not going to happen. Remember those "What color do you see?" challenges on Facebook? Not only are monitors different, but so are eyes and brains.

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Oct 9, 2019 12:14:08   #
wannabe63 Loc: Bellevue, Washington
 
wannabe63 wrote:
I'm having problems in getting my printer to produce the image I see on my monitor. I use Lightroom 6 (CD version) and a Cannon Pro 10 printer. I have been dealing with this issue for a long time and am getting tired of wasting paper and ink to produce a likeness displayed on my monitor. The image is close but the final product has always had to be tweaked using trial and error. The monitor (2 years old) has been calibrated using i1Display Pro. I've viewed many utube video's, followed previous discussion within UHH as well as other information on line but can't get where I want to be which is an acceptable image with one push of the print button. I've tried so many combinations in the print module of LR that I lose track of what I've done. Under Color Management Profile, I've tried "Managed by Printer", and I've tried using Other and inserted the paper profile. In Page Setup under Matching I've tried all 3 possibilities: Driver Matching, ICM and None. I can go on and on about the variations that haven't worked. Needless to say this has become a very frustrating part of my photography. What I'm looking for is how others with the SAME printer and post processing software have set up their equipment so that it renders the same image as displayed on their monitor.
I'm having problems in getting my printer to produ... (show quote)


Thank you for your reply. I like the idea of keeping notes of settings for your photos. That should reduce the high number of trial and error prints.

This is an example of what I'm trying to print. The printed image comes out with an overall pinkish hue which is most noteable in the clouds.
This is an example of what I'm trying to print.  T...

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Oct 9, 2019 12:21:01   #
wannabe63 Loc: Bellevue, Washington
 
I use Cannon Pro Luster paper and I've tried letting the printer manage the color. I do soft proofing but it hasn't helped. Maybe I'm expecting too much. Attached is a photo I'm currently wanting to print. But it comes out with too much of a pinkish hue over the image but most notable in the clouds.



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Oct 9, 2019 12:26:47   #
wannabe63 Loc: Bellevue, Washington
 
Gene51 wrote:
Describe the difference. What display are you using? Does your subject have a lot of out of gamut colors? Are you using Canon paper (in which case you let the printer manage colors) or are you using a third party paper (in which you download a profile from the paper mfgr and follow the mfgr's recommendation for paper and ink settings in the printer's driver)? Did you soft-proof your image in LR?

BTW, the print will never "match" the image on the screen but you can get it pretty close.
Describe the difference. What display are you usin... (show quote)


Thanks Gene. I do use Canon paper and I have let the printer manage colors as well as trying managed by others and entered the paper profile. I could be expecting too much. Below is what I'm trying to print but it comes out with too much of a pink hue that is really noticeable in the clouds.



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Oct 9, 2019 18:33:20   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
wannabe63 wrote:
Thanks Gene. I do use Canon paper and I have let the printer manage colors as well as trying managed by others and entered the paper profile. I could be expecting too much. Below is what I'm trying to print but it comes out with too much of a pink hue that is really noticeable in the clouds.


If your display is correctly profiled, and you are using Canon ink and paper, and you have identified the printer in the LR print setup, and you have identified the paper you are using in the printer dialog, you should be able to soft proof-correct-softproof-confirm that you have a reasonable match to the screen view. Does the soft proof have a similar pink cast? Is there a possibility that you are applying an ICC profile in addition to using the Canon-recommended printer paper settings at the same time?

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Oct 10, 2019 01:44:44   #
The Watcher
 
Have a look at these videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F82RE2yfqWY&list=PLy-ZTSBwqckYTTy5dkJ7Cz_HWfNU1b94_&index=54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoLNSbG4Lr4

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Oct 10, 2019 06:27:53   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 


Never ha this problem but good to know. Good stuff, thanks for the links.

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Oct 10, 2019 06:30:52   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Fortunately, I don't have to produce many color photos on my printers. I've noticed that different printers produce slightly different tints and shades of colors, even with OEM ink. Getting the scene, the monitor, and several printers to match colors is not going to happen. Remember those "What color do you see?" challenges on Facebook? Not only are monitors different, but so are eyes and brains.


Printers can be calibrated to match in theory. Does it work? Never had to do it as of yet only owning the pro 100.

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Oct 10, 2019 07:25:10   #
bcteleskier Loc: Lafayette, CO
 
I make sure my monitor is calibrated first and keep lighting in the room constant with a gray light blocking shade over my window. Then I print using Imageprint to the paper of my choice for the particular photo. Eg. Red River, Epson or Hamemule. So far I have not needed to do a reprint due to bad color or brightness. I know it is pricey but for me worth the no hassle printing on a variety of papers.

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Oct 10, 2019 07:34:17   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
Try using Canon's print utility with Canon paper and let the printer manage color. Soft proof the image prior to printing, and avoid any direct lighting on your monitor. I have not experienced this with my Canon printers. One other suggestion is Qimage, which IMHO is the best print software (short of buying an expensive RIP) on the market.

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Oct 10, 2019 09:39:27   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I learned my lesson some time ago. After so much frustration with my Epson printer and wasting money on ink and paper I decided that it was better and more economical to go with a professional lab.
My monitor is calibrated every 2 weeks and like you I experimented without getting the results that I expected. Try perhaps as a last resource using the editor designed by the camera maker. Your results could be different, especially for skin colors.

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Oct 10, 2019 15:04:08   #
Steve758
 
A correctly executed color managed workflow can produce exacting colors. When was the last time you profiled your monitor? I do my monitors weekly.
A paper profile provided by the paper manufacturer is only about 60% to 70% accurate, if you are truly looking to match monitor output to printer output you should create profiles for the monitor, printer and media you intend to print on. Sometimes you run into a specific color that just doesn't seem to come out right. When this happens, depending on your profiling tool, you might be able to read the specific color on your print and readjust it in your profile.
In your images there is a lot of magenta in the sky, without knowing how you profiled your monitor, I would suspect that your original image contains a lot of magenta in those areas. Have you measured the amount of magenta in those areas on your monitor? I would measure the color values on your monitor and neutralize the excess magenta you don't like on your prints.

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