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Oct 9, 2019 18:38:26   #
Rodwil
 
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Oct 9, 2019 19:18:08   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
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Oct 10, 2019 08:47:21   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
https://dinecorp.com/

Have you dentist friend check out the website linked above.

The Dine folks specialize in a wide variety of kits and individual components and accessories especially dedicated to intraoral and surgical photography. The also provided special instruments such as retractors that enable oral access. On the site you will find equipment specifically designed for dentists and orthodontists. They have been at this since the 1950s.

A dentist with a busy practice has no time to fumble with unfamiliar photographic equipment or experiment. He or she needs gear that will routinely enable good, clear images to illustrate their procedures, before and after treatment records, etc. This is the source.
https://dinecorp.com/ br br Have you dentist frie... (show quote)


I have a pair Dine 105mm macro lenses (made by Kino Precision) and several Dine ring lights (Most were made by Sunpack but one is a Nissin made one). Got my first lens and light from my Father in Law when he retired from Dentistry....I use them for shooting macro. Bear in mind that the shorter the focal length of the lens, the closer to the subject you have to be, a 35mm would put you too close IMHO.. My current dentist doesn't use normal camera/lenses anymore either. BTW, I used to manage a Dental Center years ago...

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Oct 10, 2019 09:12:27   #
ELNikkor
 
The Pentax WG3 ($160), or the Richoh WG60 ($225) have great macro with a 6 led ringlight array. Might be perfect for a dentist.

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Oct 10, 2019 09:16:59   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Rodwil wrote:
I have a relative who is a dentist. He has a Canon T6 with the standard 18-55 kit lens and can’t get a decent photo inside a patient’s mouth. I made several suggestions, including a macro lens (60 or 100), and possibly a ring light. If anyone has experience for this application I would be grateful. Thanks in advance.


If you want to do it right, get a Nikon 120 mm medical Nikkor.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-120mm-F-4-IF-Medical-Manual-Focus-Lens-with-Caps/372641789415?epid=99688752&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item56c32e75e7:g:OK4AAOSwrw1cq0Yh&enc=AQAEAAACQBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qUHT303oWjRB%2FFrPg89HJPSH8P4ynRrD%2BmmTduer4BAUQcRw87gLU7AN4A5ckJVdb7sd2H7ZdkKZchEdwN2sYPKkEdSHuQdkD%2F1cNDcxEIrwO0p2%2FqaAbcEweAEsULuMl1dK%2F0zLArUM0M37%2F5u0Toi%2FhnT%2FNqV6dEVo2u9HlaZ559RowvpWeNZacdV9wxtrl0fCYEd%2FAfQhzZ3VuEzUhLlW6mVdCS7ju%2BnQpnhrYuw3pCwc8fDV9s07361%2F4l2a5IBq1YWW%2BLgQF5uQojhCQDNDhhMEXfnCgxdfrBPFUITfJIcyR5UmAzKFmHIUVQzYvvGNvAHRUz8aRAxj3Djd8ReN2kbOB%2B4U0N0rqhTwlOROQ3bTEJ%2BfeXE6MPfwaF0jWgadI47zLkPTRftzdIHJjHX7bRZsJQiIf%2Bdy7k%2Bbsn0FRwoR5VL6834CYvauxJkjfcl%2BJKu4IG2Z9%2FTAfkXZWRs71HPgT6pXUII5uJI1FMzaGfKbqMmMxue1%2BuTZLvISLGSXG4hVk5hiHcMdIs5dFfwlROoL5EdMVwRV02zS7XZ6615xCz5av4auqmwgv76Y%2BCahvyOCniO4%2BOavLto6EYoYrHs9acZiJmCgORxaoRgVPd5Ir7XGoAtyiSsA8lyie%2FHTdbrb8H48m%2BAQiOHNUlH348Ca31MAEDWsSHxnZTourXm9Fp8SiKFOI6zUDnl9MwmrneWu0y5iDOT%2Fkzv7FwUdhLsUu%2FH0NheTrw2%2BcBC8A%3D%3D&checksum=37264178941538593fcf43534a60b9ff4544d58e599b&enc=AQAEAAACQBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qUHT303oWjRB%2FFrPg89HJPSH8P4ynRrD%2BmmTduer4BAUQcRw87gLU7AN4A5ckJVdb7sd2H7ZdkKZchEdwN2sYPKkEdSHuQdkD%2F1cNDcxEIrwO0p2%2FqaAbcEweAEsULuMl1dK%2F0zLArUM0M37%2F5u0Toi%2FhnT%2FNqV6dEVo2u9HlaZ559RowvpWeNZacdV9wxtrl0fCYEd%2FAfQhzZ3VuEzUhLlW6mVdCS7ju%2BnQpnhrYuw3pCwc8fDV9s07361%2F4l2a5IBq1YWW%2BLgQF5uQojhCQDNDhhMEXfnCgxdfrBPFUITfJIcyR5UmAzKFmHIUVQzYvvGNvAHRUz8aRAxj3Djd8ReN2kbOB%2B4U0N0rqhTwlOROQ3bTEJ%2BfeXE6MPfwaF0jWgadI47zLkPTRftzdIHJjHX7bRZsJQiIf%2Bdy7k%2Bbsn0FRwoR5VL6834CYvauxJkjfcl%2BJKu4IG2Z9%2FTAfkXZWRs71HPgT6pXUII5uJI1FMzaGfKbqMmMxue1%2BuTZLvISLGSXG4hVk5hiHcMdIs5dFfwlROoL5EdMVwRV02zS7XZ6615xCz5av4auqmwgv76Y%2BCahvyOCniO4%2BOavLto6EYoYrHs9acZiJmCgORxaoRgVPd5Ir7XGoAtyiSsA8lyie%2FHTdbrb8H48m%2BAQiOHNUlH348Ca31MAEDWsSHxnZTourXm9Fp8SiKFOI6zUDnl9MwmrneWu0y5iDOT%2Fkzv7FwUdhLsUu%2FH0NheTrw2%2BcBC8A%3D%3D&checksum=37264178941538593fcf43534a60b9ff4544d58e599b

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Oct 10, 2019 09:22:10   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
billnikon wrote:
If you want to do it right, get a Nikon 120 mm medical Nikkor.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-120mm-F-4-IF-Medical-Manual-Focus-Lens-with-Caps/372641789415?epid=99688752&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item56c32e75e7:g:OK4AAOSwrw1cq0Yh&enc=AQAEAAACQBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qUHT303oWjRB%2FFrPg89HJPSH8P4ynRrD%2BmmTduer4BAUQcRw87gLU7AN4A5ckJVdb7sd2H7ZdkKZchEdwN2sYPKkEdSHuQdkD%2F1cNDcxEIrwO0p2%2FqaAbcEweAEsULuMl1dK%2F0zLArUM0M37%2F5u0Toi%2FhnT%2FNqV6dEVo2u9HlaZ559RowvpWeNZacdV9wxtrl0fCYEd%2FAfQhzZ3VuEzUhLlW6mVdCS7ju%2BnQpnhrYuw3pCwc8fDV9s07361%2F4l2a5IBq1YWW%2BLgQF5uQojhCQDNDhhMEXfnCgxdfrBPFUITfJIcyR5UmAzKFmHIUVQzYvvGNvAHRUz8aRAxj3Djd8ReN2kbOB%2B4U0N0rqhTwlOROQ3bTEJ%2BfeXE6MPfwaF0jWgadI47zLkPTRftzdIHJjHX7bRZsJQiIf%2Bdy7k%2Bbsn0FRwoR5VL6834CYvauxJkjfcl%2BJKu4IG2Z9%2FTAfkXZWRs71HPgT6pXUII5uJI1FMzaGfKbqMmMxue1%2BuTZLvISLGSXG4hVk5hiHcMdIs5dFfwlROoL5EdMVwRV02zS7XZ6615xCz5av4auqmwgv76Y%2BCahvyOCniO4%2BOavLto6EYoYrHs9acZiJmCgORxaoRgVPd5Ir7XGoAtyiSsA8lyie%2FHTdbrb8H48m%2BAQiOHNUlH348Ca31MAEDWsSHxnZTourXm9Fp8SiKFOI6zUDnl9MwmrneWu0y5iDOT%2Fkzv7FwUdhLsUu%2FH0NheTrw2%2BcBC8A%3D%3D&checksum=37264178941538593fcf43534a60b9ff4544d58e599b&enc=AQAEAAACQBPxNw%2BVj6nta7CKEs3N0qUHT303oWjRB%2FFrPg89HJPSH8P4ynRrD%2BmmTduer4BAUQcRw87gLU7AN4A5ckJVdb7sd2H7ZdkKZchEdwN2sYPKkEdSHuQdkD%2F1cNDcxEIrwO0p2%2FqaAbcEweAEsULuMl1dK%2F0zLArUM0M37%2F5u0Toi%2FhnT%2FNqV6dEVo2u9HlaZ559RowvpWeNZacdV9wxtrl0fCYEd%2FAfQhzZ3VuEzUhLlW6mVdCS7ju%2BnQpnhrYuw3pCwc8fDV9s07361%2F4l2a5IBq1YWW%2BLgQF5uQojhCQDNDhhMEXfnCgxdfrBPFUITfJIcyR5UmAzKFmHIUVQzYvvGNvAHRUz8aRAxj3Djd8ReN2kbOB%2B4U0N0rqhTwlOROQ3bTEJ%2BfeXE6MPfwaF0jWgadI47zLkPTRftzdIHJjHX7bRZsJQiIf%2Bdy7k%2Bbsn0FRwoR5VL6834CYvauxJkjfcl%2BJKu4IG2Z9%2FTAfkXZWRs71HPgT6pXUII5uJI1FMzaGfKbqMmMxue1%2BuTZLvISLGSXG4hVk5hiHcMdIs5dFfwlROoL5EdMVwRV02zS7XZ6615xCz5av4auqmwgv76Y%2BCahvyOCniO4%2BOavLto6EYoYrHs9acZiJmCgORxaoRgVPd5Ir7XGoAtyiSsA8lyie%2FHTdbrb8H48m%2BAQiOHNUlH348Ca31MAEDWsSHxnZTourXm9Fp8SiKFOI6zUDnl9MwmrneWu0y5iDOT%2Fkzv7FwUdhLsUu%2FH0NheTrw2%2BcBC8A%3D%3D&checksum=37264178941538593fcf43534a60b9ff4544d58e599b
If you want to do it right, get a Nikon 120 mm med... (show quote)


The problem with that is the need for a power supply to run the light and the fact that that power supply needs to be close to an outlet...

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Oct 10, 2019 09:25:08   #
mikedent Loc: Florida
 
We used Canon XTi with 90mm Tamron 1:1 macro and Canon ring flash for many years. Allowed for RAW images if desired but we stayed with jpegs. Worked great for labs and pathology photos. Bought some new, some used from ebay.

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Oct 10, 2019 09:42:03   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
The problem with that is the need for a power supply to run the light and the fact that that power supply needs to be close to an outlet...


And patients are not close to an outlet?

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Oct 10, 2019 10:25:13   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
Rodwil wrote:
I have a relative who is a dentist. He has a Canon T6 with the standard 18-55 kit lens and can’t get a decent photo inside a patient’s mouth. I made several suggestions, including a macro lens (60 or 100), and possibly a ring light. If anyone has experience for this application I would be grateful. Thanks in advance.


After reading this post , I realized that Canon actually makes 2 types of these lenses : EF-M 28mm & the EF-S 35mm.....I had no idea !

So I Googled them and eventually wound up on Wikipedia where I learned that the EF-S 35mm f2.8 lens comes with IS...Af/M capability and L & or R LED ring lighting built into the front of the lens .
They further-explained that it is designed for APS-C camera sensor sized cameras with manufactured dates after 2003 , so your friend's T-6 will be fine .......all the Rebels up to 7DMKII are okay.

Amazon has them for $300 but that is way cheaper than the regular Canon Ring Light that retails for about $600 and is as one member indicated Expensive !

This would be an item I would want to test before I purchased it I am afraid cause when you're in close and under magnification ,you tend to need more light and the temp.of that light can be critical to get your balance into spec. This is not an area where I have any real experience lately and others will probably have more to say about this consideration as it will determine the user's outcome in real time --up close & personal as dental stuff is.

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Oct 10, 2019 10:28:36   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
Blair Shaw Jr wrote:
After reading this post , I realized that Canon actually makes 2 types of these lenses : EF-M 28mm & the EF-S 35mm.....I had no idea !

So I Googled them and eventually wound up on Wikipedia where I learned that the EF-S 35mm f2.8 lens comes with IS...Af/M capability and L & or R LED ring lighting built into the front of the lens .
They further-explained that it is designed for APS-C camera sensor sized cameras with manufactured dates after 2003 , so your friend's T-6 will be fine .......all the Rebels up to 7DMKII are okay.

Amazon has them for $300 but that is way cheaper than the regular Canon Ring Light that retails for about $600 and is as one member indicated Expensive !

This would be an item I would want to test before I purchased it I am afraid cause when you're in close and under magnification ,you tend to need more light and the temp.of that light can be critical to get your balance into spec. This is not an area where I have any real experience lately and others will probably have more to say about this consideration as it will determine the user's outcome in real time --up close & personal as dental stuff is.
After reading this post , I realized that Canon a... (show quote)


I went by my local camera store yesterday to check it out and the LED light is not bright enough for intraoral photos. It's just bright enough to provide fill light. (See my previous post) The 35mm length (56mm FF equivalent) is probably a bit too short for an esthetically pleasing rendition of the mouth.

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Oct 10, 2019 10:33:37   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Most LED units are not good enough for any type of macro shooting. Macro being my niche, I want a flash unit as it is more powerful and it allows one to stop down the aperture for increased DOF plus has the added benefit of stopping motion, be it your own or your subjects. Ring lights with batteries in the power units ( most being mounted in the hot shoe) are a lot more versatile than DC powered units...

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Oct 10, 2019 10:43:12   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
Rodwil wrote:
I have a relative who is a dentist. He has a Canon T6 with the standard 18-55 kit lens and can’t get a decent photo inside a patient’s mouth. I made several suggestions, including a macro lens (60 or 100), and possibly a ring light. If anyone has experience for this application I would be grateful. Thanks in advance.


My dentist now uses a small pencil camera that feeds images directly into his computerized information/records system that has full history and all the digital X-rays of my teeth. Much better system than trying to describe subtle items even when you know the specialized lingo.

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Oct 10, 2019 10:48:42   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
billnikon wrote:
If you want to do it right, get a Nikon 120 mm medical Nikkor.


Heck NO!!!!
Besides the OP having a CANON camera (though you could use an adapter), it's an APS-C sensored one.
That combo will give a FF equivalent of about 190mm.
The working distance required will keep prevent the dentist from manipulating the mirrors and retractors used to get buccal, lingual, and occlusal views of the arches because he will be too far away.
It's hard enough to reach using a 100mm on an APS-C body.

And this thing is huge compared to what's available now.
I used it back in film camera days.

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Oct 10, 2019 10:54:04   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Heck NO!!!!
Besides the OP having a CANON camera (though you could use an adapter), it's an APS-C sensored one.
That combo will give a FF equivalent of about 190mm.
The working distance required will keep prevent the dentist from manipulating the mirrors and retractors used to get buccal, lingual, and occlusal views of the arches because he will be too far away.
It's hard enough to reach using a 100mm on an APS-C body.

And this thing is huge compared to what's available now.
I used it back in film camera days.
Heck NO!!!! br Besides the OP having a CANON camer... (show quote)


Thanks Goofy.... You beat me to the punch in listing the negatives of this lens for the OP

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Oct 10, 2019 10:58:03   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Thanks Goofy.... You beat me to the punch in listing the negatives of this lens for the OP


It's definitely a unique lens, but a dinosaur.

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