Teaching Creationism not Good for Children (Page 3): Then maybe it is I who should apologize to you for the Wiki quip, but even so, no I am not a creationist, I am agnostic, and I...

ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.

Blurryeyed wrote:

quote=ngc1514 You seemed to be disparaging of the... (show quote)

Scientists understand and accept they will never know how life started on this planet unless someone invents a time machine and watches the event unfold. That doesn't mean they will not discover possible scenarios for how it might have started. The recently defined science of abiogenesis is working on the question.

The end is a bit clearer after the recent discovery of dark energy. The question that now needs to be answered is how long does it take for a proton to decay. Proton decay is another prediction of the Standard Model of particle physics. So far, it looks to be longer than 10^34 years.

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

tschmath wrote:

quote=Bangee5 What you really mean is: Lets teach... (show quote)

It has nothing to do with evolution, but it has a lot to do with what this man wants to be taught in schools. what scientific facts and truths do you have in mind to develop fully their logic and reasoning skills? That gose beyond just evolution being taught. The idea being, teach the young what you want them to learn and you will have their minds when they are older. Remember the National Socialist Party?
This thread is not about Evolution. Its about teaching our childern to believe what you want them believe.

sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant

please explain how out of complete nothingness, no atoms no molecules, no space no gravity an explosion occurred and all of a sudden poof the whole universe is formed. It takes allot more faith to believe in that then to believe that In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. In addition if evolution is true why isn't it still happening, shouldn't man and animals still be evolving? Evolution is just a theory developed by an arrogant man angry at God. Supposedly Charles Darwin rejected evolution on his death bed. The proof of Jesus existence is all around you, if you diligently look with an open mind. In addition what I and many other Pentecostals have experienced and continue to experience is freely available to all those who are willing to repent, be baptized in Jesus's name for the remission of your sins and you SHALL receive the Holy Ghost as evidenced by speaking in tongues. This is as available today as it was in the 1st century ad. Jesus wants a close and personal relationship with all his children. Once you experience that closeness, you will realize that God does not lie and thus every word in the bible is true! Adam, eve and the garden of eden did exist, We were created by God in his own Image and God is not an ape!

Mulachabu Loc: Sydney Australia

I think you just found another addiction, it may not be the underlying problem, just a thought.

sinatraman wrote:

How sad and totally wrong! I was raised an atheist by my folks and was denied a relationship with Jesus for 38 years, That was a very costly form of child abuse. I don't think that God's word is true, I don't believe that God's word is true,I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE IS 100% TRUE.

I have felt the presence of Jesus both inside my soul as well as at church and as well as looking out at the ocean or looking at a magnificent florida sunset. I have seen miracles happen, had both my knees cartilage healed and arthritis in my left knee disappear. I have felt the Holy Ghost and have spoken in an unknown tongue. atheism is evil and leads down the road to Hitler, Stalin, pol pot, idi Armin and Mao. Bill Nye is heading for a very rude awakening when he dies and is face to face with Jesus who tells him " I did not come from an ape" of course by then it will be too late.

Had I been raised to know Jesus and to understand that He has my back, my life would have turned out much differently. I would not have made allot of my mistakes would have finished law school and gone on to be a prosecutor. By denying me a relationship with the Lord, my parents deprived me of a very valuable resource for dealing with the problems of life. If I knew at 18 that Jesus was real and thus Adam and Eve were real, i would have avoided harmful behaviors such as fornication, adultery, drunkenness, drug use, theft, and other sins I am guilty of committing.

Thankfully Jesus never gave up on me, and eventually I heard his call and responded positively. Having a relationship with Jesus and making Him number one in my life has allowed me to escape the prison of materialism, I focus on what's most important A strong relationship with God, which gives me the self confidence, patience and discipline to face boldly whatever life throws at me. In addition, I have no doubts that when the rapture of the church occurs (much sooner then people think) I Will be with my Lord and Saviour in Heaven and not on earth when all hell breaks loose literally.

Trusting in God and his word in the bible also has allowed me to overcome despair, depression and suicidal thoughts. You may choose to think your ancestors were primates, I choose to believe that my ancestor was made of the dust of the earth in God's own image. Man is not an animal, he was created to have dominion over the animals.

I realize that nothing I write will change your mind, so this answer and my testimony are for those who are honestly seeking to know if God exists and what is he like. My heart is troubled and burdened for atheists as I know where they WILL be spending eternity if they don't get right with Jesus. If anyone has serious questions ( not just looking for an argument) send me a pm. would be more then happy to share more of my testimony with anyone. God bless you all and God bless America

How sad and totally wrong! I was raised an athei... (show quote)

Zero_Equals_Infinity Loc: Canada

sinatraman wrote:

How sad and totally wrong! I was raised an atheist by my folks and was denied a relationship with Jesus for 38 years, That was a very costly form of child abuse. I don't think that God's word is true, I don't believe that God's word is true,I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE IS 100% TRUE.

I have felt the presence of Jesus both inside my soul as well as at church and as well as looking out at the ocean or looking at a magnificent florida sunset. I have seen miracles happen, had both my knees cartilage healed and arthritis in my left knee disappear. I have felt the Holy Ghost and have spoken in an unknown tongue. atheism is evil and leads down the road to Hitler, Stalin, pol pot, idi Armin and Mao. Bill Nye is heading for a very rude awakening when he dies and is face to face with Jesus who tells him " I did not come from an ape" of course by then it will be too late.

Had I been raised to know Jesus and to understand that He has my back, my life would have turned out much differently. I would not have made allot of my mistakes would have finished law school and gone on to be a prosecutor. By denying me a relationship with the Lord, my parents deprived me of a very valuable resource for dealing with the problems of life. If I knew at 18 that Jesus was real and thus Adam and Eve were real, i would have avoided harmful behaviors such as fornication, adultery, drunkenness, drug use, theft, and other sins I am guilty of committing.

Thankfully Jesus never gave up on me, and eventually I heard his call and responded positively. Having a relationship with Jesus and making Him number one in my life has allowed me to escape the prison of materialism, I focus on what's most important A strong relationship with God, which gives me the self confidence, patience and discipline to face boldly whatever life throws at me. In addition, I have no doubts that when the rapture of the church occurs (much sooner then people think) I Will be with my Lord and Saviour in Heaven and not on earth when all hell breaks loose literally.

Trusting in God and his word in the bible also has allowed me to overcome despair, depression and suicidal thoughts. You may choose to think your ancestors were primates, I choose to believe that my ancestor was made of the dust of the earth in God's own image. Man is not an animal, he was created to have dominion over the animals.

I realize that nothing I write will change your mind, so this answer and my testimony are for those who are honestly seeking to know if God exists and what is he like. My heart is troubled and burdened for atheists as I know where they WILL be spending eternity if they don't get right with Jesus. If anyone has serious questions ( not just looking for an argument) send me a pm. would be more then happy to share more of my testimony with anyone. God bless you all and God bless America

How sad and totally wrong! I was raised an athei... (show quote)

Placebos work too, and it is a matter of human physiology, not of miracle snake oil.

The problem is people have a difficult time separating their subjective states and experiences from a vested set of beliefs. Any of the states you describe are able to be experienced by an atheist. I used to be a fundamentalist Christian in my teenage years and early twenties. I became apostate during my university years, and the one thing I discovered, (after recovering from the struggle and shock of leaving Christian beliefs and practices), is that any of the states I experienced as ecstatic and worshipful, where that sense of Presence was palpable, are able to be experienced outside of the rituals and practices of the church. The beliefs, like the placebo, are not necessary. That was an important realisation, and it enabled me to continue to experience all of those same states, but without being burdened by a beliefset that is scientifically unsupportable. It also enabled me to dump prejudices against other philosophies, traditions, and life style variations. I made a point of studying other religious traditions, and found that many powerful mythic narratives exist, (not just the Christian one), and that these narratives are important not because they are real, but because people universally find meaning in certain themes; (e.g. Hero quest - coming of age stories, and especially stories involving sacrifice, transformation and redemption.)

Becoming free from the prison of belief allowed me to experience, discover and learn far more than when I was viewing the universe through a dogmatic religious filter. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the power of religious narratives, be they Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Aboriginal or _______, but I regard them as literature.

What is important is to not sequester myself in a prison of belief that inhibits how I can experience the world. Neither goaded by fears of hell, nor bribed by visions of heaven, I am able to experience life more fully, to find beauty and meaning in places which I would never have looked when I was a fundamentalist Christian.

jim charron Loc: Ontario Canada

ngc1514 wrote:

The evolutionary change of 2 chimp chromosomes into a single human chromosome. The placement of the the telomeres both at the end of the chromosome (as expected), but also in the middle of the joined chromosomes is strong evidence we, and chimps, share a common ancestor.

haha, when u believe you came from monkey, you behave
just like that,
look at the wrold today,
should speak volumes!

bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.

here we go again,teach the bible or not,teach evolution or not.we go through stages, then we call on the law.we let 9 people decide.both beliefs have their flaws,there are more discoveries to be made. to say that people must wait til kids are not kids anymore to teach them your faith won't work. we count it as our right.

jim charron Loc: Ontario Canada

God makes the wise (scientists)to be fools, or foolish.

How long did they think the world was flat?

God's word says the world is round or global
way way before man discovered it.

How much money did man spend to find life on another
planet?
Man thought the world was going to over populate so
we better find room on the moon.

hows all that working out?.

scapping the space program That's how.

Oh scientists, well done, good job, foolsishness I'd say!

Wisdon comes from the Word of God.

Go ahead, teach children scientific facts, that a laugh.
Only to find out years later, well I guess its not correct
anymore? foolishness I say.

jim charron Loc: Ontario Canada

ngc1514 wrote:

quote=Blurryeyed quote=ngc1514 You seemed to be ... (show quote)

Scientists understand that they will never know, really?

Look, I'm not too bright, but even I know how it started.

Sheeesh

In the beginning, God created the heavens and earth.
Truth told by him who created, Jesus, confirmed the
this took place when he was on earth just two thousand
years ago.
Its documented, and true.
Scientists will never find otherwise!

Croce Loc: Earth

ngc1514 wrote:

quote=Blurryeyed quote=ngc1514 You seemed to be ... (show quote)

One of the disadvantages of living in the west is that by the time I get to these posts they have already matured to several pages. It would be more fun to see them develop from the start and follow along. Anyway ...

10 to the 34 power? Longer than a Decillion years? Taking into consideration increased longevity in humans in the future, you are probably talking an Undecillion generations or what? ... A trillion, billion years!? Although I cannot dispute the theory, I dispute your posted number ngc, on the basis that the one postulating the theory could not live long enough to write that many zeros and would in all probability exhaust the world supply of chalk in so attempting. :lol: :lol:

Croce Loc: Earth

Mulachabu wrote:

I think you just found another addiction, it may not be the underlying problem, just a thought.

sinatraman wrote:

How sad and totally wrong! I was raised an atheist by my folks and was denied a relationship with Jesus for 38 years, That was a very costly form of child abuse. I don't think that God's word is true, I don't believe that God's word is true,I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE IS 100% TRUE.

I have felt the presence of Jesus both inside my soul as well as at church and as well as looking out at the ocean or looking at a magnificent florida sunset. I have seen miracles happen, had both my knees cartilage healed and arthritis in my left knee disappear. I have felt the Holy Ghost and have spoken in an unknown tongue. atheism is evil and leads down the road to Hitler, Stalin, pol pot, idi Armin and Mao. Bill Nye is heading for a very rude awakening when he dies and is face to face with Jesus who tells him " I did not come from an ape" of course by then it will be too late.

Had I been raised to know Jesus and to understand that He has my back, my life would have turned out much differently. I would not have made allot of my mistakes would have finished law school and gone on to be a prosecutor. By denying me a relationship with the Lord, my parents deprived me of a very valuable resource for dealing with the problems of life. If I knew at 18 that Jesus was real and thus Adam and Eve were real, i would have avoided harmful behaviors such as fornication, adultery, drunkenness, drug use, theft, and other sins I am guilty of committing.

Thankfully Jesus never gave up on me, and eventually I heard his call and responded positively. Having a relationship with Jesus and making Him number one in my life has allowed me to escape the prison of materialism, I focus on what's most important A strong relationship with God, which gives me the self confidence, patience and discipline to face boldly whatever life throws at me. In addition, I have no doubts that when the rapture of the church occurs (much sooner then people think) I Will be with my Lord and Saviour in Heaven and not on earth when all hell breaks loose literally.

Trusting in God and his word in the bible also has allowed me to overcome despair, depression and suicidal thoughts. You may choose to think your ancestors were primates, I choose to believe that my ancestor was made of the dust of the earth in God's own image. Man is not an animal, he was created to have dominion over the animals.

I realize that nothing I write will change your mind, so this answer and my testimony are for those who are honestly seeking to know if God exists and what is he like. My heart is troubled and burdened for atheists as I know where they WILL be spending eternity if they don't get right with Jesus. If anyone has serious questions ( not just looking for an argument) send me a pm. would be more then happy to share more of my testimony with anyone. God bless you all and God bless America

How sad and totally wrong! I was raised an athei... (show quote)

I think you just found another addiction, it may n... (show quote)

It's called replacement therapy, Mulachabu. Replacing one addiction with another.

sourdough58 Loc: Maine

Everyone will spend eternity somewhere ether in Heaven or in hell the choice is ours, Jesus wants us to chose eternal life in Heaven with him, those people that deny and refuse Jesus as their Savior will be choosing Hell over Heaven and even if they dont beleave in Hell they wont be there very long before they will change their minds. Chose heaven with a loving God it is simple

https://vimeo.com/home/myvideos/page:2/sort:date/format:video

Croce Loc: Earth

jim charron wrote:

ngc1514 wrote:

The evolutionary change of 2 chimp chromosomes into a single human chromosome. The placement of the the telomeres both at the end of the chromosome (as expected), but also in the middle of the joined chromosomes is strong evidence we, and chimps, share a common ancestor.

haha, when u believe you came from monkey, you behave
just like that,
look at the wrold today,
should speak volumes!

But Jim, why doesn't God show up and clean the place up? Do you believe God created man just so he would have something to toy with and torture. There is not one teeny weeny bit of evidence pointing to your belief in a benevolent God. If there is a God then he (Jesus was a he) must be more sadistic than any of his creations from Herod to Hitler and on to Assad. I could say that God spelled backward is Dog but that would be terribly denigrating to Dogs.

evans2ann Loc: Mississippi

So with what do chimps share chromosones with???I'm going with creation.

ngc1514 wrote:

The evolutionary change of 2 chimp chromosomes into a single human chromosome. The placement of the the telomeres both at the end of the chromosome (as expected), but also in the middle of the joined chromosomes is strong evidence we, and chimps, share a common ancestor.

Croce Loc: Earth

sourdough58 wrote:

Everyone will spend eternity somewhere ether in Heaven or in hell the choice is ours, Jesus wants us to chose eternal life in Heaven with him, those people that deny and refuse Jesus as their Savior will be choosing Hell over Heaven and even if they dont beleave in Hell they wont be there very long before they will change their minds. Chose heaven with a loving God it is simple

https://vimeo.com/home/myvideos/page:2/sort:date/format:video

And Jesus told you that personally?